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2009-08-15, 01:10 | #91 | |
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Re: Lock-on Missiles (AA & Jets)
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However, wouldn't being able to turn the Radar both ON and OFF solve that issue? You would leave the radar off when you're traveling, and when you are ready to deny airspace, you would turn the radar on to engage enemy jets and attempt to scare them out of the airspace before they are able to do any damage to your teammates? I'm not sure how SEAD strikes would really work out ingame, but it'd be interesting, for sure. According to Wikipedia, the USAF's F16/F-18s can outfitted with the AGM-88 HARM (or the AGM-154 JSW, apparently?) for these purposes... the RAF's Tornado GR4 uses the ALARM missile. Both are anti-radiation missiles, which would mean they target enemy radars. I'm not sure what RU/MEC/PLA would use as equivalents, but I would suppose just for the sake of fairness they would get guided anti-radiation missiles on certain jets, too. The F-16 in game is used as a 'fighter' jet, whereas the GR4 is used as a 'bomber' jet... while it may not be a big issue for them, it seems like it might be strange that a fighter jet on one map has this role while it is taken away and given to the bombers on others... especially since most of the jets are relatively identical in their own class (Fighters have guns, short and long range AA missiles, and guided bombs... Bombers have guns, Air-To-Ground missiles, guided bombs, dumbfire rockets, and short-range Air-To-Air missiles... Two seaters have guns, A2G missiles, guided bombs, and short-range A2A missiles...) Maybe the SEAD missiles could somehow be able to be used from longer range, like how bombs could be dropped from out of view of the target and guide themselves with a laser-designator on the ground... Maybe they could be made to automatically lock onto AAVs on the ground as long as the fighter is within a certain range (like being 800m away from the target, so that the missile has time to guide itself)... it would require a spotter to find the AAV, but the fighter could do some of the work from there? If the radar could be turned on or off for targeting, then the jet would be helpless if it came in and the radar was turned off, because the AA could then turn ON it's radars as the jet passes the point where he could have fired a SEAD strike, and then would have to flare quite a bit to make sure that the AA missile doesn't lock or hit. Maybe someone could clear up how both Radar and SEAD should work in this scenario? It's really hard to come up with a good solution when I don't really understand how they both work well. | |
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2009-08-15, 07:14 | #92 | ||
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Re: Lock-on Missiles (AA & Jets)
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Here is a quick mspaint pick of this HUD: So basically you just held the target you wanted to lock on the topmost catching ring. After few seconds the best intercept course had been calculated, and one of the rings below ignited. Then you moved the target inside that ring and fired. It was really simple. Quote:
IR missiles can lock into anything that produces heat, radar missiles into anything that shows up in radar. It doesn't even need to be an aircraft. If target is sending good IFF signal it can be marked as friendly, but you can still shoot it down if you are having a bad day. | ||
2009-08-15, 10:03 | #93 | |
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2009-08-15, 10:38 | #94 | ||
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Re: Lock-on Missiles (AA & Jets)
As I said, I don't know if the C-RAM LPWS has the ability to be manually tracked. Most details of it are classified. Otherwise, it sounds like it would function like a "man-in-the-loop" automated sentry gun. It is also huge; the system is mounted on a semi trailer. I don't even know if the weapon crew is even on the same trailer, or is controlling it from several yards away in another one (which would be my guess, since that's the way things seem to be headed).
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There is no system that can indicate when an IR "heat-seeking" missile is targeting you, only when the missile is launched and from what general direction. Only laser-guided (like the Starstreak HVM) or radar-guided missiles can be detected prior to launch. | ||
2009-08-15, 15:14 | #95 | |
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Re: Lock-on Missiles (AA & Jets)
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i said if you could turn the radar off, it wouldnt make much sense to turn it on just to keep the air clean, but on the other side, if you turned it off for travelling you couldnt counter enemy air units which dont attack you in a sead mission... The whole thing is much complexer than just "give them on/off button", you would have to include the ability of making a complete air defense for the team (Thermal AA like Avenger or Strela, Radar-AA guns like the ZSU Shilka or a Vulcan and radar-missile systems like Tor or Tunguska [and for real realism long range Air defense like S-300 or patriot) furthermore i think its really unrealistic that a jet gets into an area where aa is, which is turned off, without knowledge about it!? If an army's air force would know that in an area were turned off radar-aa-systems then it would send some A-10s for example and a squadron sead-support if the AA wouldthen turn radar on... then the AA would be really helpless @Eddie: okay didnt know that you can manually "guide" a shilka or even grissoms. But how does that work? How do you control a missile into a jet without radar and thermal-sight???????? that sounds really unbelievable. | |
2009-08-15, 15:37 | #96 |
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Re: Lock-on Missiles (AA & Jets)
Keep it in the crosshairs of the sight, just like any other SACLOS missile. The Starstreak can do the same thing, only it's laser-guided rather than radio command guided.
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2009-08-15, 16:06 | #97 | ||
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Re: Lock-on Missiles (AA & Jets)
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shilkas and tunguskas has separate TV or IR channel for manual control(some other systems have it too) one of the passive methods is command guidance when launch platform tracks both target and missile and gives commands to missile, in passive variant(without using radar for detecting missile and target) missile carries tracer in its back, this was used in old ATGM, this kind of targeting called MCLOS iirc used on Tunguska for example Quote:
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