2016-10-03, 11:54
|
#1 | ||
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,189
 Denmark
Location: Project Reality Frontline
|
Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
The nominal history of the commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
2006 - 2016 Dear commander players and others interested I want to find out how many tournament players, who has played the function of the PRT Commander, since campaign 1, back in 2006 until campaign 12, our time, in 2016. The function is incredibly difficult to master and as consequence it is far from all having completed a full campaign. Motivation My curiosity is based on my original question: Can the commander players learn anything, from the absolute amount of commander players, having completed the entirety of one or more tournament campaigns, compared to the amount not having accomplished a full campaign? Nominal data needed In order to ask that question, however, the nominal figures has to be established first;
For the players having completed at least one full campaign, I ask the following questions:
I my self completed one full campaign as the appointed commander of the C5 PELA Team - People's Elite Liberation Army ? Opfor and partly as the appointed commander of the C6 CATA 2 Army - Central Asian Treaty Alliance ? Opfor. My questions to you I therefore ask to anyone, who remembers, either who in person or how many, who was appointed as the tactical team commander, in the following twelve campaigns: Quote:
Quote:
The short and full answer is no. Having stepped up to the plate is simply put brave. Because when doing so, you expose your self in so many ways, to everyone, while simultaneously, confront the most steep learning curve in the entire game. Please understand this is not about who is best or not. Competition is not an issue here. Both the CO and the SCO function, really is incredible difficult to master. It involves hundreds if not thousands of decisions to be made, throughout a single campaign. Hundreds of meetings, opinions, agreements, disagreements, expectations, frictions, ambitions, compromises, adjustments, initiatives and so forth. This is about getting the numbers down and from there on, start to ask questions. Why I decided to post my questions in this forum I respectfully posted in the commander forums, since very few of the old commander players seems to visit the tournament site. My hope is that at least some of the old players from those teams may remember who or how many commander players, was appointed to a specific team, during a specific campaign. I hope you will help getting the numbers down, so we can start to ask questions based on data. NOTE this post will be edited as names or numbers are posted in the thread. Please read Post 8 for updates on information needed! | ||
|
Last edited by Michael_Denmark; 2017-12-20 at 08:34..
|
|
2016-10-03, 13:55
|
#2 | |
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,312
 United Kingdom
Location: Scotland
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
You might also need to define what you mean by Commanders, as some of those functions changed as the PRT evolved.
In the modern PRT we have Supreme Commanders who are responsible for administration and management of the team, and Commanders who are responsible for the planning and execution of PRT matches. In the past I think those functions overlapped a lot more, and may not even have been separate roles. In addition to that, last campaign (C11) I played the role of XO for MRF where I took up a number of responsibilities in support of both the SCO and CO including team admin, and in-game support for the CO and his decision making processes. Should XOs therefore have consideration within the framework of your question? Quote:
| |
    |
||
|
|
|
|
2016-10-03, 14:12
|
#3 | ||
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,189
Denmark
Location: Project Reality Frontline
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Campaign 9 and 11:
Thanks Web_cole Yes, of course, I should have defined the function as the tactical Team Commander. The Supreme Commander, was if I recall correctly, introduced in Campaign 6 and the administrators, should I recall correctly, also asked us as tactical Team Commanders, about the idea, back in the last part of Campaign 5? Quote:
Quote:
| ||
|
|
Last edited by Michael_Denmark; 2016-10-03 at 15:55..
|
|
2016-10-03, 14:32
|
#4 |
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,189
Denmark
Location: Project Reality Frontline
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Campaign 11:
It seems, from the tournament news, campaign 11, that SCO: Cossack, CO: Aleon and SCO: Danger all completed a full campaign, right? |
|
|
Last edited by Michael_Denmark; 2016-10-03 at 15:54..
|
|
2016-10-03, 14:34
|
#5 |
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,681
 Latvia
Location: Riga
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Yeah, me, Aleon and Danger completed full campaign.
|
   |
|
|
|
|
|
2016-10-03, 14:54
|
#6 | |
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,312
United Kingdom
Location: Scotland
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Quote:
| |
|
|
||
|
|
|
|
2016-10-03, 15:02
|
#7 | |||
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,189
Denmark
Location: Project Reality Frontline
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Campaign 10:
Okay then, Campaign 10, copy pasted from the tournament news, starting and ending SCOs and COs: PAC Both SCO Spook and CO Cruzmissile [PAC], seems to have completed the full campaign, right? Quote:
SCO Norby [EMF] seem to have completed a full campaign? CO Age [EMF], CO Danger [EMF] and CO Snipd [EMF] seem to have partly completed a campaign, right? Quote:
Quote:
| |||
|
|
Last edited by Michael_Denmark; 2016-10-03 at 15:55..
|
|
2016-10-03, 15:26
|
#8 | |||||
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,189
Denmark
Location: Project Reality Frontline
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Some of the following player names found, was deployed after a search I made throughout the member list of the tournament. Other player names has now been added by people from the community. Many times it is important that an information has more than one source, so validation from others is important.
I attempt to thank everyone having helped with information. Web_cole, DonDoom, Wicca, Murkey, Fnixer, L4gi, Alex L., HunterMed, Saobh, Outlawz, decoy.dk, PFunk, sweedensniiperr, Cossack, Sekh765, AgentMongoose, MaSSive, Yrkidding, H1tman, Woolfson, Danger_6, Hotfranc, Spook, DEDMON5811, Smeggles *** INFORMATION WANTED DEDMON5811, the first and only EJOD team CMDR, from campaign 1, and I found him October 26th, PM send to him and he replied on the same day, after having been offline the forums for a very long time. DEDMON5811 completed the first campaign from start to end, thereby being the first commander player, having completed a camping in the tournament. So, with his PM, we now have response and information, from one of the first two commander players, in the great Project Reality Tournament. Awesome and Thank you again DEDMON5811! The EJOD team, also being the first Opfor team, is to this day in 2016, the only team in the tournament having used the same name as a PR map. CasualtyUR, I am so far unable to get in contact with him through the PM system and I do not have any other contact information, so if anyone from the community has such a contact, it will help the project a lot, to notify him on this tread. CasualtyUR has participated in at least 7 campaigns, from the start of the tournament and he stepped up to the plate as commander, helping a team once again, in campaign 10. Maverick, is the PR player using the name "the.ultimate.maverick" ...after having gone through some of his threads today October 26th, I found the proof in the "USM" Thread, where he post on having run an ASOG training, in the Project Reality Tournament. Quote:
Question then is if he has continued to call him self the.ultimate.maverick in other PR related places, clans end etc. Afvalbak retired CATA CO, might have information on both the starting and mid campaigns, however, I am unable to get in contact with him, his PM inbox is full. If anyone here can get in contact with him, please tell him that his memory is needed. Hitperson, he participated in the beginning campaigns and I do remember him too, however, not if he played as CO at some point, - help? bonsai - Retired CATA SCO C7, did he complete the full campaign? Also CO in C7 and C9, please help with validated information? Grayeknight NATO, did he not play both as CO and SCO in C6?, before being appointed to tournament lead? Salah ad Din, CATA 1 CO, but in what campaign? Khidr did play as CATA CO did he not? C6 or C7 perhaps? information needed? I also remember a player with the name Clypp, did he play in the tournament as a CO? Before C5 that would be. We need to find out if Alex L. resigned in campaign 6 or 7, because with that we will know when Casualty was NATO SCO, Grayknight perhaps NATO CO and SCO too. In post 11 a source describe the replacement that took place. Fnixer - starting PDI CO (source PM October 4th and post 36, however, new source October 20th state Fnixer should be mentioned as an appointed CO having participated in a very short amount of time, no battle commanding included. The two reasons for mentioning Fnixer, are to [1] respecting he stepped up to the plate and [2] letting the community know he has been appointed by the tournament administration) So it is most probably Hotfranc, having done most or all of the commanding, remember to watch the videos! *** Video links HunterMed (some of the CATA teams) https://www.youtube.com/user/hunterMi Murkey (several tournament videoes) https://www.youtube.com/user/gergmukey Joseph Schlimmer (potential CATA 1 info on a battle CO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GAUKrlFEE Official PRT tube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZS...Jelu7VWANHFlHw Gaz3447 (campaign 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCka...1Hj8V7scTetH2g Project Reality - Chinese JDAM in PRT Extra Battle (0:48 a CATA 1 battle CO appears on screen) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hM6V3ZLT4 __________________________________________________ ___ __________________________________________________ ___ From campaign 1 to 3 the CO position was named CMDR Campaign 1: 1 or 2 battles during the spring of 2006. Start date was 02-18-2006 UK_force - starting ARRC CMDR (source post 28 ) DEADMON5811 - starting and ending EJOD CMDR (source DEDMON5811 him self) Gaz - Replacement ARRC CMDR for UK_Force until the end of the campaign (source post 28 ) Alex L. - possible replacement ARRC CMDR (Source PM October 24) CasualtyUR might also have been playing as ARRC CO? (source PM PRT October 1  Maverick - possible replacement EJOD CMDR for DEADMON5811? (did I have a source for this? check out Saobh PMs?, but we do have a source now, a thread posted by the.ultimate.maverick on a scrim between EJOD and ARRC, here it is: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10...d-vs-arrc.html) Campaign 2: at least 5 battles during the summer of 2006 Alex L. - starting and ending NODFOR CMDR (validated by primary source post 28 ) Maverick - starting ASOG CMDR (source PM October 10 2016 and Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin ) Kravixon - replacement PELA CO after Maverick (source post 54) H1tman - replacement PELA CO after Kravixon (source post 54) Campaign 3: x battles during the fall of 2006 Alex L. - starting NARFOR CO? (source in post 28 ) Hitperson - replacement NARFOR CO (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) Maverick - starting PELA CO? (source post 54) Solitas - replacement PELA CO (we have two image sources to proof that: The first is where we find Solitas as an ordinary soldier in the bottom of the picture, just above the Administration-line. Note the date and the amount of players equal 782: Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin, and the second image source, is where we see Solitas as CO. Again, note the date and the amount of players, this time being 813. Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) Campaign 4: x battles during the winters of 2006 and 2007 Deg.0 - starting and possible ending RFAD CO (source post 28 and PM October 9 2016) Hitperson - starting or replacement ARRC CO (image source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) CasualtyUR possible ARRC CO (source PRT PM October 18th) Fullforce - starting ARRC CO? casualtyUR - replacement ARRC CO? *** I think we almost can rule Fullforce out as an ARRC CO, since the image source attached to Hitperson, clearly show Fullforce as an Admin. Need to send a PM to Fullforce. I wish CasualtyUR would reply my PM. Campaign 5: 10 battles during the spring and summer of 2007 H1tman - starting and ending MEDI CO - (validated by primary source in post 54 and in image source (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin)) Michael_Denmark - starting and ending PELA CO (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) CasualtyUR - starting and possible ending USEF CO ( source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin NiGHTWolf - Starting BCST CO (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) Solitas - replacement BCST CO for NiGHTWolf (source PM October 10 2016 and source PM October the 4 and image source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) GrayeKnight - replacement BCST CO for Solitas (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin) Maybe we got campaign 5 covered now? Seems Casualty, I and H1tman completed. Structure wise not a bad result, the enlargement of the tournament structure, taking into account. Campaign 6: 10 battles during the winter of 2007 to the start of summer 2008 CasualtyUR - starting or replacement NATO SCO (source in PM October the 18 and source in post 11) H1tman - starting and ending CATA 1 CO (validated by primary source in post 54) H1tman - possible starting end ending CATA SCO (source my CATA 2 PM, the 2008 CATA COs and admin meeting) Grayeknight - possible starting NATO SCO (source post 11) CasualtyUR - starting and possible ending NATO 1 CO (source PM October the 18th) Mars - starting NATO 2 CO (source PM October the 4 and the 18th) Noobofthenight - replacement NATO 2 CO for Mars (source PM October the 4th and the 18th) Eddiereyes - replacement NATO 2 CO for Noobofthenight and also ending NATO CO (source PM October the 4th and the 18th) Michael_Denmark - starting CATA 2 CO (source my self) Bonsai - replacement CATA 2 CO (source my self) Campaign 7: at least 7 battles during the fall of 2008 to the spring of 2009 (start November 15) (source https://web.archive.org/web/20081122....com/index.php) Eddiereyes - starting or replacement NATO SCO (source post 43) (PM send) CasualtyUR - possible NATO SCO (source post 55) CasualtyUR starting and possible ending NATO 1 CO (source post 55) Eddiereyes - starting NATO 2 CO including the first four battles (source PM October the 4th and PM November 2nd) Smeggles - replacement NATO 2 CO after Eddiereyes and also ending NATO 2 CO ((source post 55 and PM November 2nd) Farks - NATO 1 CO (battle 3 on Barracuda validated but how many battles and was he the starting NATO CO) (PM send) Bonsai - starting CATA 2 SCO (source my PM 2008 when Bonsai explain about campaign 6 battles) Bonsai or Aquiller starting CATA 2 CO? (source my PM 2008 when Bonsai explain about campaign 6 battles) H1tman - starting CATA 1 CO until team got banned (validated by primary source in post 54) Aquiller - re-starting and re-creating CATA 1 CO after former team got banned Aquiller - starting and ending the new CATA 1 SCO HunterMed - replacement CATA 2 CO after Aquiller (validated by primary source in PM October 10 2016) Jigsaw - NATO CO in C7, C8? Scot - NATO CO in C7, C8? NATO CO in C7 - maybe not appointed CO. Perhaps a deal with Eddiereyes to play as battle CO Funk - NATO CO in C7, C8? Tirak - NATO CO in C7, C8? (PM send) Afvalbak - CATA 2 CO (who took over after Bonsai? because Hunter was the ending CATA 2 CO, after he replaced Aquiller. But did Aquiller then replace Bonsai as starting on CATA 2? (source from Bonsai PM August 2008, just after he got appointed as the starting CATA 2 CO and CATA SCO too) Campaign 8: 7 battles during late summer of 2009 and perhaps to late winter or the spring of 2010 Source for campaign 8 start: Campaign 8 signups open Aug 22nd Source for campaign 8 end: Lost Platoon Aquiller - starting CATA SCO Aquiller - starting CATA CO L4gi - CATA SC (which CATA team?) Afvalbak - Seems he completed the entire campaign for which CATA team? Orthas - Ending CATA 2 CO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGhQ8VhnFfA) Jigsaw - Starting NATO CO (source post 55) PFunk - starting and ending NATO Bravo CO (validated by primary source in post 55) Eddiereyes - starting NATO SCO (source post 55) Colonelcool - replacement NATO SCO after Eddiereyes (source post 55) PFunk - ending replacement NATO SCO after Colonelcool (source post 55) cfschris starting NATO but resigning before first battle (source post 63 and also the image source proofing he was appointed https://web.archive.org/web/20090830...ealitymod.com/) Campaign 8.5: 6-7 battles during the spring of 2010 P*Funk - starting and ending NATO SCO (source post 57) Orthas - starting CATA SCO and possible ending too (source post 57, post 59, PM October 21 ) Bonsai - possible starting and ending CATA CO (source post 30, PM October 21) Who was then the NATO CO? 1. Yamalia: the CATA rush in helicopters on NATO 2nd capable flag 2. Qwai River 3. Beirut: where NATO grayed CATAs last flag but failed to capture it 4. Quinling 5. Fools Road 6. Muttrah 7. Siege at Ochamchira is said to be played (source post ..) Source (Post 27, post 30 and in post 57 Web_cole as source, list 6 battles almost identical to the announced battles from the tournament news, also talking about a 7th battle that may not have occurred, since it has no following result) Campaign 9: 10 battles during 2010-1011 Orthas - starting and possible ending CATA SCO (image source September 13th 2010, Project Reality Tournament and image source from 2nd Sign Ups C9: Project Reality Tournament) Bonsai - starting CATA CO (image source September 13th 2010 from campaign start, Project Reality Tournament, and image source from battle 3, March 4 2011, where we see Bonsai as an ordinary soldier in the right side of the screen: Project Reality Tournament. Then again, at the third image source, from March the 30, we see the close down of campaign 9, where the administration gives thanks to among the others, also Bonsai: Project Reality Tournament - So, Bonsai may have completed the campaign anyhow, ...what happened?) P*Funk - starting NATO SCO for both NATO Alpha and Charlie teams (validated by primary source in post 55 and for the start of the campaign also supported by image source September 13 2010, Project Reality Tournament) P*Funk - starting and ending NATO Charlie CO (primary source post 55) AgentMongoose - starting and possible ending NATO Alpha CO (source post 2) CO-Commander was Sekh (sources post 22 and 29 and also this video NATO C9b4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6u5ywIRu-nY) Campaign 10: 10 battles during 2014-2015 Spook - starting and ending PAC SCO (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement) Norby - starting and ending EMF SCO (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement and post 14) Cruzmissile - starting and ending PAC CO (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement) Snipd starting EMF CO (source post 36) ElMariachi replacement EMF CO for Snipd (source post 36) Agemman replacement EMF CO for ElMariachi (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement CasualtyUR replacement EMF CO for Agemman (source post 36) Danger_6 replacement EMF CO for CasualtyUR and ending CO for the EMF team (source post 36) Campaign 11: 10 battles during 2015-2016 Danger_6 - starting and ending PDI SCO (source post 5) Cossack - starting and ending MRF SCO (source post 5) Aleon - starting and ending MRF CO (source post 5 and other public sources) Hotfranc - structural wise not the starting PDI CO, he replaced Fnixer who was the starting PDI CO, but because Fnixer had only been in command for a very short amount of time, Hotfranc was practical speaking, the starting PDI CO, participating in both the preparation battles, on Operation Marlin and on Burning Sands, plus X of the campaign battles as well, making Hotfranc the ending PDI CO too. (post 36 and PM source October 20th, and the following video sources from C11: PR Tournament C11 - Operation Marlin Prepbattle #1 [Hotfranc as CO] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJx2...FfAcGrusEP-ae2 PR Tournament - Burning Sands Prepbattle #2 [Hotfranc as CO] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1O1SJN18Xo PR Tournament C11 - Nuijamaa [Senshi as CO?] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmMF...r-_5k-cNpGEoYj Campaign 12 - 6* battles during 2016-2017 Yrkidding - starting and ending APN SCO ytman - starting and ending APN CO Philrow - starting and ending EMC SCO Senshi - starting and ending EMC CO *the administration under Onil had planned the campaign to last 8 battles, however, an integrated point system, did not allow for more than six battles to be fought. EMC as victor of the campaign, winning on points after battle 6. Campaign 13 - 2017 Mattytoosack - starting VOG SCO CAS_ual_TY - starting VOG CO WebCole - starting RPX SCO PeppeJ - sstarting RPX CO we will only post the names from the current campaign in this draft post, until the campaign is over. Hereafter they will be deployed in post 1. __________________________________________________ ___ __________________________________________________ ___ Info on amount of work involved in the list so far: 1. Asking the Tournament Administration for access to the archives - my request was denied. 2. From Tournament Admin Onils advice, I started searching the tournament member list for people who had been mentioned as either CO or SCO. The search gave me some 15-20 player names and I indirectly learned, that a certain amount of the Admins also had been playing as either CO or SCO, although their profile does not mention it? 3. After my initial search through the tournament member list, I started a PM and Email operation, counting until today, between 50 to 100 PMs and emails. That is a minimum of 50-60 send, and an unknown amount replied. I have not counted the replied yet. 4. Created a thread in the commander forum, on the PR main site. Against my expectations, it rapidly got a lot of views and response. Glad for that - big time, boosting my dedication quite a bit. 5. From all the correspondence I learned that at least some people mentioned youtube videos as potential sources, so I started to search for videos and that proofed to be a useful source. 6. Asking the Tournament Administration to expand my PM inbox - my request was granted. 7. Sending out befriend to every CO and SCO player from the tournament, plus a few public COs too. Much more easy if I have their profiles listed. Besides commander players should befriend each other, why haven't I thought about that before, Jesus Christ 10 years has gone, how slow minded can I possible be - LOL? *** Thoughts on my mistakes I so far have noticed my self: First of all, I should have made a default formula, for people to fill out. That would have made both the personal interactions and the data collection, more easy to develop. I dont think the formula would have been an obstacle for some of the more difficult conversations I have run into, because with it, there would always have been the option to fall back on it, and restart an otherwise loaded dialogue. Secondly, I should have created a deeper definition of the two completion statuses, I decided to make use of. Being, Completed and Partly Completed. So for the future result list, I now think a deeper definition should be considered. That way, we ensure every single person having stepped up to the plate, gets noticed by the community. I will post on it in the thread and ask for suggestions too. In fact, I should probably have asked for suggestions from the start. Thirdly, when facing situations, where conflict of acknowledgment exists, and they do more than I had thought of, before I started up this project, I should have initiated a debate on the issue, with the people in the thread, before starting to contact anyone. Should probably have asked questions like; a) when two or more guys wants to be credited for the volume of work involved, in this CO/SCO dynamic, how to 1) approach that in the first place, and 2) should it be left out of the data collection, in order not to stir things up? Fourthly, regarding the video sources on the battles, I should have prepared my self, by creating a dedicated thread for all of them, which everyone reading the thread, could use to confirm related statements and lack of memory. *** Listing the players having been appointed only, or also played as SCO and or CO
Quotes and links to threads and posts, related to info on why a team or campaign failed to deliver a commander not completing from start to end. No chronological order deployed: --- --- 02-12-2007, 02:41 AM PR Tourney Vets Call to Arms! https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f82...ll-arms-2.html post 16 Quote:
Quote:
--- 11-14-2006, 07:52 PM PR Official Tournament - Signups are now OPEN. https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f82...-now-open.html Quote:
--- 09-15-2006, 11:04 AM Ideas around the commander posistion https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f83...tml#post173210 Quote:
--- | |||||
|
|
Last edited by Michael_Denmark; 2017-10-12 at 11:54..
|
|
2016-10-03, 15:27
|
#9 | |
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,189
Denmark
Location: Project Reality Frontline
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Quote:
WebCole - Retired MRF XO | |
|
|
|
|
2016-10-03, 15:36
|
#10 | ||
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,312
United Kingdom
Location: Scotland
|
Re: Amount of commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
Quote:
Quote:
| ||
|
|
|||
|
|
|
 |
| Tags |
| amount, commander, players, project, reality, tournament |
|
|
View Michael_Denmark's IP Address
Linear Mode
