Ar - mg deviation and recoil - Page 2

[R-DEV]AlonTavor · 2017-07-09, 17:15

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Originally Posted by sgt.maze2

isn't this game aiming for realism?

This isn't a military simulator. Gameplay and balance are far above achieving 100% accurate representation of things.

sgt.maze2 · 2017-07-09, 17:16

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Originally Posted by [R-DEV]AlonTavor

This isn't CoD.

I forgot to say to that i was about 100m.
I'm not refering to prone and inmediately shoot, like in cod ,absolutely not but waiting 4-5 secs it's insane when u have a bipod that basicly stabalizes your gun.

parch · 2017-07-09, 22:14

Settle time can suck, but it's absolutely necessary for the balance - ARs are already capable of wrecking shit in hands of good players. It's also interesting change of pace, you need to think more about positioning and less about running like a headless chicken.

chrisweb89 · 2017-07-09, 22:32

In response to your second suggestion, it's impossible from my knowledge with the engine. You can't rest weapons on things so the best way to have it setup is stance dependent. It used to be that deployed mode only worked in prone but it sucked for anytime you're behind a low wall or window or the million other things you could fire over with a bipod, so in my opinion the current system is the best compromise.

As to that exact situation, don't go prone in initial quick engagements. Unless it's been changed when you dive prone you basically get another second or 2 deviation penalty to discourage prone diving with all weapons. Might not be realistic, but crouch in the current model is the best quick accuracy way of firing.

Vista · 2017-07-09, 22:49

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Originally Posted by sgt.maze2

Is balance going over realism now ?isn't this game aiming for realism?

I don't think anyone in the DEV team knows the response to that at the moment

inb4banned · 2017-07-09, 22:56

Sadly we have engine limitations and this engine doesn't allow for weapon resting on objects. MGs are big and are meant as a defensive weapon, not one to be used on a move, their settle time reflects this.

ARs on the other hand are very powerful on the move, if you know how to position yourself. You walk around with undeployed mode, spot something, go prone and switch to deployed mode, as soon you crouch/ stand back up from behind cover your deviation is completely settled and anything in your sights will die.

And for your comparison between MG and Sniper I'd say MG is much better in-game. With the broken patch it does around the same damage but is automatic, has less settle time and a huge mag. It doesn't require any additional buffs.

LEGIYA · 2017-07-09, 23:33

Keep the deviation.
Mg is op.
Find a way not to deploye in air.

sgt.maze2 · 2017-07-10, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Vista

I don't think anyone in the DEV team knows the response to that at the moment

is the team passing through a hard time?

QuickLoad · 2017-07-10, 06:18

5-6 second deviation makes sense if you just sprinted, now if you were moving slow like most snipers you wouldn't have as much deviation time.

it's a decent equalibrium, nowehre near the best but def. not the worst, and with the limitations i think it's alright.

~~fecht_niko~~ · 2017-07-10, 06:30

I dont think we need deviation on MG/AR at all. Who cares about balance. The damage should also be much higher because of the barrel lengh. Make them all 1-shot.

2017-07-09, 22:14	#13
parch Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 106 Poland	Re: Ar - mg deviation and recoil Settle time can suck, but it's absolutely necessary for the balance - ARs are already capable of wrecking shit in hands of good players. It's also interesting change of pace, you need to think more about positioning and less about running like a headless chicken.
parch Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 106 Poland

2017-07-09, 22:32	#14
chrisweb89 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 966 Canada Location: Nova Scotia	Re: Ar - mg deviation and recoil In response to your second suggestion, it's impossible from my knowledge with the engine. You can't rest weapons on things so the best way to have it setup is stance dependent. It used to be that deployed mode only worked in prone but it sucked for anytime you're behind a low wall or window or the million other things you could fire over with a bipod, so in my opinion the current system is the best compromise. As to that exact situation, don't go prone in initial quick engagements. Unless it's been changed when you dive prone you basically get another second or 2 deviation penalty to discourage prone diving with all weapons. Might not be realistic, but crouch in the current model is the best quick accuracy way of firing.

2017-07-09, 22:56	#16
inb4banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 234 Bosnia and Herzegowina	Re: Ar - mg deviation and recoil Sadly we have engine limitations and this engine doesn't allow for weapon resting on objects. MGs are big and are meant as a defensive weapon, not one to be used on a move, their settle time reflects this. ARs on the other hand are very powerful on the move, if you know how to position yourself. You walk around with undeployed mode, spot something, go prone and switch to deployed mode, as soon you crouch/ stand back up from behind cover your deviation is completely settled and anything in your sights will die. And for your comparison between MG and Sniper I'd say MG is much better in-game. With the broken patch it does around the same damage but is automatic, has less settle time and a huge mag. It doesn't require any additional buffs.

2017-07-09, 23:33	#17
LEGIYA Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 154 Yugoslavia Location: Belgrade	Re: Ar - mg deviation and recoil Keep the deviation. Mg is op. Find a way not to deploye in air.

2017-07-10, 06:18	#19
QuickLoad Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 600 United States of America Location: SQUAD LEADER CENTRAL	Re: Ar - mg deviation and recoil 5-6 second deviation makes sense if you just sprinted, now if you were moving slow like most snipers you wouldn't have as much deviation time. it's a decent equalibrium, nowehre near the best but def. not the worst, and with the limitations i think it's alright.

2017-07-10, 06:30	#20
~~fecht_niko~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 346 Germany	Re: Ar - mg deviation and recoil I dont think we need deviation on MG/AR at all. Who cares about balance. The damage should also be much higher because of the barrel lengh. Make them all 1-shot.