[Map] Rajantie (2km) [WIP] - Page 2

Amok@ndy · 2011-01-16, 00:12

could be a simple problem with the editor
what i tested once on one of my maps was the maximum limit of overgrowth
its about ~200.000 objects if you reach a count like this, no OG objects will appear ingame they are just invisible

splatters · 2011-01-16, 00:16

Ok, cheers! I think I have some experimenting ahead. And if the overgrowth must go over the limit and I can't get the lightmaps to render then I'll photoshop them or something!

Zulnex · 2011-01-16, 00:58

Looking very good.

Keep up the excellent work.

AFsoccer · 2011-01-16, 02:01

Looks like you're off to a great start!

It's great that you're using a real location. Although you can adapt it as much as needed to make it more "playable", it's always nice to have a real world reference so that it looks as realistic as possible. Looking at the satellite image, there seems to be a lot of forest and not much else, so you might want to add features that would make for good flags, like a railroad station, small villages, etc...

Definitely read through the tutorials, but we're also here if you run into problems or want more feedback.

sylent/shooter · 2011-01-16, 18:43

I'd be interested in learning to trace the isolines to a heightmap:P Could be something you could make a great tutorial on. Anyways great job with the map, the colour map looks amazing

Engineer · 2011-01-16, 20:11

Nice looking map, hopefully I can see it ingame too

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatters

I haven't decided any CP or base locations yet, but I think the Finnish base will be in the NW corner and Russian Deployment area in the SE corner to maximise the game area.

The map seems to be rather "straight forward" type of map. I can see a clear line from the SE corner to NW corner thus I'd imagine this purely a defensive map for the Finns.

Not really sure what is the Dev's thumb rule for flags that cannot be captured if lost, but that should truly put more effort on defending and fierce firefights.

Here is a pic what I had in my mind about the layout, maybe it will give you ideas too when designing the CP's. Starting from the SE corner.

1 - First white flag: Flag for the Russians to get a "hold" on the fighting ground. Finns can try to pay some time by doing quick attacks towards the Russians, but quite fast the flag will turn for the Russians.

2 - Second white flag: White flag, but the Finns can capture this first if they are fast. The downsize is that the Finns should have stopped to build a strong base at the first Blue flag (3) to provide enough defence around the area. If done correctly, the position of the flag is such centric and narrow, that big firefight is needed to get this flag. Especially if the Russians have heavier stuff, it shouldn't be unbreakable. As both the Finns and the Russians have a "flag" nearby, the firebases built could feed the fighting over the control of this area. This flag can be taken back if lost.

3 - First blue flag: This is the place where the Finns should stop at the start, the key point for winning or losing of this fight. Natural place for base to provide troops towards second white flag. Problem is, that this point can be approached from multiple different locations and supply routes then destroyed, should have some statics to give this area a strong defensive environment. If this are would be lost, it will definitely turn the tide for the Russians to be able to push further and far easier as in start.

4 - Second blue flag: Place which the Finns can skip completely at the start. A last position to defend to prevent the Russians to reach the Rajantie and to continue advance. Purely defence to keep the pressure up for the Finns to defend, and for the Russians to attempt to break thru.

5 - Last blue flag: This is where the Finns start -> A rush start to defend/take flags 3 and 2. If Russians reach here, Rajantie has been overtaken.

AFsoccer · 2011-01-16, 23:22

Just a quick thought: Having a flag at point #2 might be a bad idea. The water creates a very narrow approach from the north and south so it doesn't allow any maneuvering/flanking.

dtacs · 2011-01-17, 02:30

The Patria AMV's/BMP-2's (Finnish APC's) are amphibious as are all Russian APC's.
If the CV9030 is featured it could be a problem but both forces shouldn't have issues pushing the others off with proper techniques.

Great looking map, reminds me of Highway to Hell in PoE2.

Hulabi · 2011-01-17, 06:02

The Finnish AMV's are actually too heavy to be amphibious, The BMP2 and Sisu ''Pasi' Xa-188 are amphibious tho.

dtacs · 2011-01-17, 06:37

I'd have to ask you for a source on that. What differs in its swimming capability compared to the Croatian or Swedish versions?

2011-01-16, 00:12	#11
Amok@ndy Retired PR Developer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,083 Germany Location: Landshut, Bavaria Blog Entries: 9	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km could be a simple problem with the editor what i tested once on one of my maps was the maximum limit of overgrowth its about ~200.000 objects if you reach a count like this, no OG objects will appear ingame they are just invisible

2011-01-16, 00:16	#12
splatters Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 525 Finland Location: Helsinki	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km Ok, cheers! I think I have some experimenting ahead. And if the overgrowth must go over the limit and I can't get the lightmaps to render then I'll photoshop them or something!

2011-01-16, 00:58	#13
Zulnex Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 544 Canada Location: Windsor, Ontario	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km Looking very good. Keep up the excellent work.

2011-01-16, 02:01	#14
AFsoccer Retired PR Developer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,280 United States of America Location: Denver, Colorado	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km Looks like you're off to a great start! It's great that you're using a real location. Although you can adapt it as much as needed to make it more "playable", it's always nice to have a real world reference so that it looks as realistic as possible. Looking at the satellite image, there seems to be a lot of forest and not much else, so you might want to add features that would make for good flags, like a railroad station, small villages, etc... Definitely read through the tutorials, but we're also here if you run into problems or want more feedback.

2011-01-16, 18:43	#15
sylent/shooter Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,947 Japan Location: Sendai	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km I'd be interested in learning to trace the isolines to a heightmap:P Could be something you could make a great tutorial on. Anyways great job with the map, the colour map looks amazing

2011-01-16, 23:22	#17
AFsoccer Retired PR Developer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,280 United States of America Location: Denver, Colorado	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km Just a quick thought: Having a flag at point #2 might be a bad idea. The water creates a very narrow approach from the north and south so it doesn't allow any maneuvering/flanking.

2011-01-17, 02:30	#18
dtacs Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,467 Australia Location: Sydney	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km The Patria AMV's/BMP-2's (Finnish APC's) are amphibious as are all Russian APC's. If the CV9030 is featured it could be a problem but both forces shouldn't have issues pushing the others off with proper techniques. Great looking map, reminds me of Highway to Hell in PoE2.

2011-01-17, 06:02	#19
Hulabi Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,271 Finland	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km The Finnish AMV's are actually too heavy to be amphibious, The BMP2 and Sisu ''Pasi' Xa-188 are amphibious tho.
Hulabi Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,271 Finland

2011-01-17, 06:37	#20
dtacs Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,467 Australia Location: Sydney	Re: [MAP] Rajantie 2km I'd have to ask you for a source on that. What differs in its swimming capability compared to the Croatian or Swedish versions?