[UK Model WIP] Diemaco C7a1, by Samonius - Page 3

Mad Max · 2005-10-21, 13:14

It depends really. If it's an M4 varient than yes, full auto may be advisable if they're quite close as they have quite a poor muzzel velocity and have been well documented to take the best part of half a mag in many cases to even drop someone at point blank. The M16 isn't so bad, as it's got a higher muzzle velocity, but the rounds are sitll the same as in the M4 so it's hit and miss really. They're not really made for close combat anyway because of their size. They're more of a medium range engagement weapon. Full auto is very VERY useful in close combat situations though. Oh and you're right about the ammo issue being partly the reason they made it burst... but when soliders wasted clips in 'Nam is was mainly because their rounds couldn't penetrate much which is why they got scared and "sprayed and prayed". That's why M60 gunners were pretty common among squads and often the most highly regurded unit in the team. Also the whole barrel warp issue was a factor too. They found that the barrel life was very short when in full auto, even after just a few mags. Even the M60 suffers from low barrel life! The latest and greatest verison of it, the E4 only fires around 850 rounds non stop before it dies. They did the same test with the FN MAG and it fired upto and over 25,000 without failure. They used watercooling on the barrels for both tests too to avoid having to stop shooting.

BrokenArrow · 2005-10-21, 18:46

ah, right i should have clarified more. i realize full auto is usefull in CQ but as you said, the m16 isnt really designed for that. and of course i see what you mean about the comparison in quality between the US weapons and other countries weapons, i was just pointing out, as you knew, that ammo economy was also a factor. all good points by you. shows that we need to start equipping our troops just a little better, both with weapons and armor

Raaschou · 2005-10-23, 04:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

...ammo economy was also a factor.

And ammo quality...

US Army fabricated munitions are "all right" (by all means qualifies for the NATO-standerd), but there are better...
Danish AMA (military-produced munitions) are close to Match-quality... MOA is close to 1". Both 5.56 and 7.62...

But that's why it's so expensive..

DWM|SgtSwabs · 2005-10-23, 17:30

WOW PRMM 0.2 is gonna be ALOT more than a minimod.

BrokenArrow · 2005-10-23, 18:34

this is for the full release, not prmm

Wolfmaster · 2005-10-24, 16:13

though with the littlebird in prmm its kinda more than a minimod...

BrokenArrow · 2005-10-24, 18:45

right i meant if he was talking about the c7a1

DWM|SgtSwabs · 2005-10-25, 11:45

Yurp BrokenArrow is right, the only time you should EVER empty a mag is if you need to suppress alot of enemys and even then a whole mag is a bit much even for covering fire.
(this is a reply to an earlier post i forgot to quote)

Mad Max · 2005-10-25, 16:52

HAHAH! This is a little off topic but I LOVE that sig Swabs! Hahahah! It's almost as good as the "iPoo" porto-loo!

Wolfmaster · 2005-10-26, 15:24

lol yeah you're right... i hadn't noticed it yet. its great...

2005-10-21, 13:14	#21
Mad Max Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 574 Location: Ye Olde England	It depends really. If it's an M4 varient than yes, full auto may be advisable if they're quite close as they have quite a poor muzzel velocity and have been well documented to take the best part of half a mag in many cases to even drop someone at point blank. The M16 isn't so bad, as it's got a higher muzzle velocity, but the rounds are sitll the same as in the M4 so it's hit and miss really. They're not really made for close combat anyway because of their size. They're more of a medium range engagement weapon. Full auto is very VERY useful in close combat situations though. Oh and you're right about the ammo issue being partly the reason they made it burst... but when soliders wasted clips in 'Nam is was mainly because their rounds couldn't penetrate much which is why they got scared and "sprayed and prayed". That's why M60 gunners were pretty common among squads and often the most highly regurded unit in the team. Also the whole barrel warp issue was a factor too. They found that the barrel life was very short when in full auto, even after just a few mags. Even the M60 suffers from low barrel life! The latest and greatest verison of it, the E4 only fires around 850 rounds non stop before it dies. They did the same test with the FN MAG and it fired upto and over 25,000 without failure. They used watercooling on the barrels for both tests too to avoid having to stop shooting.

2005-10-21, 18:46	#22
BrokenArrow Retired PR Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,071 Location: NH, US	ah, right i should have clarified more. i realize full auto is usefull in CQ but as you said, the m16 isnt really designed for that. and of course i see what you mean about the comparison in quality between the US weapons and other countries weapons, i was just pointing out, as you knew, that ammo economy was also a factor. all good points by you. shows that we need to start equipping our troops just a little better, both with weapons and armor

2005-10-23, 17:30	#24
DWM\|SgtSwabs Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Engurlund	WOW PRMM 0.2 is gonna be ALOT more than a minimod.

2005-10-23, 18:34	#25
BrokenArrow Retired PR Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,071 Location: NH, US	this is for the full release, not prmm

2005-10-24, 16:13	#26
Wolfmaster Retired PR Developer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,927 Netherlands Location: Groningen	though with the littlebird in prmm its kinda more than a minimod...

2005-10-24, 18:45	#27
BrokenArrow Retired PR Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,071 Location: NH, US	right i meant if he was talking about the c7a1

2005-10-25, 11:45	#28
DWM\|SgtSwabs Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Engurlund	Yurp BrokenArrow is right, the only time you should EVER empty a mag is if you need to suppress alot of enemys and even then a whole mag is a bit much even for covering fire. (this is a reply to an earlier post i forgot to quote)

2005-10-25, 16:52	#29
Mad Max Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 574 Location: Ye Olde England	HAHAH! This is a little off topic but I LOVE that sig Swabs! Hahahah! It's almost as good as the "iPoo" porto-loo!

2005-10-26, 15:24	#30
Wolfmaster Retired PR Developer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,927 Netherlands Location: Groningen	lol yeah you're right... i hadn't noticed it yet. its great...