Removing the map Icons - Page 3

Phoenix4894 · 2015-12-01, 04:28

The idea is great in my opinion. This would definately increase the communication and teamwork between squads. Plus, it is a good opportunity to make the commander role attractive again, if he's the only one able to see squadleaders for example. To help the squadleaders though, he might set Number markers matching each squad on the map to set the squads current area and he'd have to refresh this in case the squad moves further away.

The teamkilling concern is not a big one for experienced players, since I guess you guys recognise the uniforms and decide to fire, instead of checking the map alot.

...which leads to the problem with new players, which cannot recognise friend or foe straight ahead.

This is worth a discussion in my opinion.

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Fir3w411 · 2015-12-01, 04:33

The issue is most notable when firing at a distance. For example, you're in a tank. You can't identify a friendly if they're 500 meters out, in a bush.

What? Will you ask each and every squad if they have infantry there until you get an answer? What about if it's a piece of armor in the same spot and you have little time to act? I can see comms being spammed by squadmates asking on friendly whereabouts, too.

This suggestion is beyond ridiculous and not a really realistic approach is taken into what the consequences would be by many of you here.

Phoenix4894 · 2015-12-01, 04:43

In this case there would be a lack of communications.
To prevent this you would need a commander which sets a squad marker on a map (lets say an area of a keypad).
and if enemies are spotted, you report it, as you do nowadays. The enemy position will be marked via squad leader or commander.

And it isnt a big difference if there is friend and foe mixed in your sights, no matter if you can see them on the map or not.
If you cant recognise friend or for on the SIGHTS, you simply dont fire.

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~~viirusiiseli~~ · 2015-12-01, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Phoenix4894

In this case there would be a lack of communications.
To prevent this you would need a commander which sets a squad marker on a map (lets say an area of a keypad).
and if enemies are spotted, you report it, as you do nowadays. The enemy position will be marked via squad leader or commander.

And it isnt a big difference if there is friend and foe mixed in your sights, no matter if you can see them on the map or not.
If you cant recognise friend or for on the SIGHTS, you simply dont fire.

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Yes, more people talking in mumble about inconsequential things is what we need! More mumble comms, less playing!

You realize communication is ideally kept to a minimum in RL armed forces? Why does everyone think talking a lot means you're being realistic and effective?

a3dboy1 · 2015-12-01, 16:32

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This suggestion is beyond ridiculous and not a really realistic approach is taken into what the consequences would be by many of you here.

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Originally Posted by viirusiiseli

Yes, more people talking in mumble about inconsequential things is what we need! More mumble comms, less playing!

You realize communication is ideally kept to a minimum in RL armed forces? Why does everyone think talking a lot means you're being realistic and effective?

Majority of casualties US troops sustained in Iraq was caused by friendly fire.

Removal of markers will force players to communicate or be blind headless chickens. I am sure many trolls will leave as soon as they realize they actually need to use teamwork or have practically no fun.

Fir3w411 · 2015-12-02, 00:29

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Originally Posted by a3dboy1

Majority of casualties US troops sustained in Iraq was caused by friendly fire.

I will repost what I wrote earlier

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This isn't real life.

crazygamelover · 2015-12-02, 01:21

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Originally Posted by a3dboy1

Majority of casualties US troops sustained in Iraq was caused by friendly fire.

Can someone else back this up? I highly doubt this statistic is accurate.

sweedensniiperr · 2015-12-02, 09:10

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that removing icons would be more realistic, but that's not the issue here.

You guys who are in favor of this; it's about the effect on gameplay. It is not going to improve by removing the icons. It will not increase teamwork. Those of us now that use teamwork would see no change(only more comms, "where are you etc"), and those that at this day, run around as headless chickens will still do that, only now they will be blind as well.

Jacksonez__ · 2015-12-02, 09:34

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Originally Posted by crazygamelover

Can someone else back this up? I highly doubt this statistic is accurate.

Total USA soldiers KIA in Iraq (2003-2011): 3,527
Friendly fire incidents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._War_from_2003

X-Alt · 2015-12-02, 13:54

1m engagements, you must not like getting sniped.

2015-12-01, 04:33	#22
Fir3w411 Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 337 United States of America	Re: Removing the map Icons The issue is most notable when firing at a distance. For example, you're in a tank. You can't identify a friendly if they're 500 meters out, in a bush. What? Will you ask each and every squad if they have infantry there until you get an answer? What about if it's a piece of armor in the same spot and you have little time to act? I can see comms being spammed by squadmates asking on friendly whereabouts, too. This suggestion is beyond ridiculous and not a really realistic approach is taken into what the consequences would be by many of you here.

2015-12-02, 09:10	#28
sweedensniiperr Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,749 Sweden	Re: Removing the map Icons I don't think anyone is disagreeing that removing icons would be more realistic, but that's not the issue here. You guys who are in favor of this; it's about the effect on gameplay. It is not going to improve by removing the icons. It will not increase teamwork. Those of us now that use teamwork would see no change(only more comms, "where are you etc"), and those that at this day, run around as headless chickens will still do that, only now they will be blind as well.
sweedensniiperr Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,749 Sweden

2015-12-02, 13:54	#30
X-Alt Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,057 United States of America Location: memes	Re: Removing the map Icons 1m engagements, you must not like getting sniped.

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2015-12-01, 04:28	#21
Phoenix4894 Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 66 Switzerland Location: Lucerne	The idea is great in my opinion. This would definately increase the communication and teamwork between squads. Plus, it is a good opportunity to make the commander role attractive again, if he's the only one able to see squadleaders for example. To help the squadleaders though, he might set Number markers matching each squad on the map to set the squads current area and he'd have to refresh this in case the squad moves further away. The teamkilling concern is not a big one for experienced players, since I guess you guys recognise the uniforms and decide to fire, instead of checking the map alot. ...which leads to the problem with new players, which cannot recognise friend or foe straight ahead. This is worth a discussion in my opinion. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5 mit Tapatalk

2015-12-01, 04:43	#23
Phoenix4894 Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 66 Switzerland Location: Lucerne	In this case there would be a lack of communications. To prevent this you would need a commander which sets a squad marker on a map (lets say an area of a keypad). and if enemies are spotted, you report it, as you do nowadays. The enemy position will be marked via squad leader or commander. And it isnt a big difference if there is friend and foe mixed in your sights, no matter if you can see them on the map or not. If you cant recognise friend or for on the SIGHTS, you simply dont fire. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5 mit Tapatalk