Choose the AU's sniper !

[Wakain]

Originally Posted by DeltaFart

Whats wrong with the Enfield? Those things are bloody everywhere, why not have it as like an Alt?

the african theatre is a good opportunity to create an opfor that set's itself apart from the (middle eastern/afghanistani) unconventional opfor's we have already.

diversity is golden. as you say: LE's are everywhere, that's true, but scoped ones are generally quite rare.

[DeltaFart]

Originally Posted by Wakain

the african theatre is a good opportunity to create an opfor that set's itself apart from the (middle eastern/afghanistani) unconventional opfor's we have already.

diversity is golden. as you say: LE's are everywhere, that's true, but scoped ones are generally quite rare.

True enough though I doubt scoped mosin's are much more common :P i mean if they were I bet they'd be cheaper here in the US which would make me a very happy panda cuase I would love a scoped mosin

Sniper in essence are rare. During WW2, all the countries had difficulties to produce binoculars and scopes, they even had to buy civilian ones. If today it became easy for healthy countries to have scopes, it's not the case for poor countries and unconventional armies. They rely on supplied sniper rifles (I guess mostly ex-soviet marksman rifles), they don't produce any! They are also using what I will call "civilian-like" sniper rifles, by that I mean "carbine" sniper.
We have to keep in mind that it's easy for them to buy this kind of carbine weapons and easier also to maintain. For unconventional forces and untrained troops, it's quite hard to maintain in good condition a modern complicated sniper rifle. Soviet-like scopes or carbine scopes are easier to employ for them.
And at last, you can still find Lee Enfield or Mosin snipers around the world (like in Afghanistan or Iraq) but they are rare. I really don't think this two weapons would fit with an African theatre of war!

[Wakain]

Originally Posted by 162eRI

very true point
...And at last, you can still find Lee Enfield or Mosin snipers around the world (like in Afghanistan or Iraq) but they are rare. I really don't think this two weapons would fit with an African theatre of war!

my thoughts exactly, but if we were to choose between the two I'd prefer the nagant for diversity's sake. the proposed workaround (wooden version of MEC sniper) is the best choice anyway.

you mentioned the use of "ex-soviet marksmanrifles", I recall that I suggested somewhere (might be in this thread) that perhaps the sniperkit could be scrapped with the AU and the ARF to be replaced by the marksmanclass (as in having a sniperclass with a dragunov or having the sniper class scrapped altogether)
I'm not really sure of this is possible with pr's kitrequest system.

you mentioned the use of "ex-soviet marksmanrifles", I recall that I suggested somewhere (might be in this thread) that perhaps the sniperkit could be scrapped with the AU and the ARF to be replaced by the marksmanclass (as in having a sniperclass with a dragunov or having the sniper class scrapped altogether)
I'm not really sure of this is possible with pr's kitrequest system.

Same here, also suggest it here somewhere, I believe African unconventional armies should perhaps use a scrap sniper/marksman kit as, after all, sniper are very very rare in Africa. Marksman are more common, mostly because ex-soviet rifles were widespread around African.
Also, for gameplay reasons, I don't know if it could be possible... Otherwise, other unconventional forces in PR should have the same scrap kit. And in the end, there are snipers in Africa, even if rare, and this is a fictionnal faction, they could have buy "carbine" sniper rifles (wooden version of MEC sniper, even if it doesn't exist).

Anyway, it's not a big deal, just a very few guys will get this sniper rifle per maps (1 or 2?), so in the end, does it really change something? (for exemple, everybody already got binoculars when in reality most don't)

[BroCop]

But isnt the AU the conventional faction and therefore its valid to have a sniper?

Yes, indeed, it's a fictionnal conventional African faction I believe. Sgt_Doctor is the one that can answer you on this case. I went out of topic with Wakain xD

[simeon5541]

Just give them SSG1 . . .
And AU is not ficional,
it is just not working that way like it will be in PR . . .

[Wakain]

Also, for gameplay reasons, I don't know if it could be possible... Otherwise, other unconventional forces in PR should have the same scrap kit. And in the end, there are snipers in Africa, even if rare, and this is a fictionnal faction, they could have buy "carbine" sniper rifles (wooden version of MEC sniper, even if it doesn't exist).

Anyway, it's not a big deal, just a very few guys will get this sniper rifle per maps (1 or 2?), so in the end, does it really change something? (for exemple, everybody already got binoculars when in reality most don't)

true, I just think it could be interesting to have such difference in organisation and weapon loadout. blufor factions will all field their respective high-tech and high-powered rifles, vehicles etc. but in general they seem to be fielding the same sort of roles (rifleman specialist is exceptional as it appears to be a mostly british-american invention, but it's easy enough for other factions to find a workaround here) and similar classes of vehicles, organisation seems to be comparable.

it's the opfor, and in this I mean the conventional factions like MEC and UA, that have the potential to be very different. they are different already of course, fielding mostly older weapons and vehicles, but they still seem to come with the same organisation, their kits may look and behave different but they're basically the same compared to conventional factions.

I just want to point out that there appears to be some kind of mould as to what a faction needs to have in terms of assets and kit-loadouts, regardless of whether the faction itself makes great use, or has great emphasis on these assets (I'm actually mainly referring to kit-loadouts). Like with the russian faction, it's great they have their own sniperrifle but as several russians pointed out on this forum, the russian army hardly makes use of dedicated snipers. I guess the same thing applies with the UA (or appears to apply to me, I'm far from an expert on the African semi-conventional armies).

but as you said, its not a big deal, we're striving for reality but it remains a game and thus has to be playable. also, the above may seem to be a rant/excessively negative critic about the way pr's factions are (being) developed. this is not really the case as I love them all as they are or will be, I merely wanted to highlight a point that might deserve/lead to further discussion.

[lucky.BOY]

You are on to something, Wakian and 162eRI, but there might be some downsides to your proposion.

1) there would probably be a need to change the way kit requesting works, as it seems to be hardcoded (in terms it cant depend on faction). If im not mistaken (and hopefully I am) this would need a big deal of work to implement

2) There would be another thing to turn new players away from PR, as they would need to learn what kits each faction feature to be ale to play this game fully.

dont want to be a b*|ch but each suggestion need a constructive critism to evolve. Dont beat me

-lucky