[Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] - Page 4

Rudd · 2009-10-26, 03:46

well, I've kinda answered that already, but seeing as its you.

1) there are no flat areas of the map, so the landscape feels pretty differnet to alot of kashan.
2) underground areas
3) no mordor mountain, Tanks can't sit on a hill and fire at anything inside the bunker complex, thus their effectiveness against infantry inside the complex is vastly reduced. (in theory anyways)
4) British Vs MEC balancing is significantly more interesting than USA vs MEC balancing imo. (BMP will defintately feature on this map, as will the scimitar)
5) Different gameplay dynamics. I am considering having the bunkers under MEC control at the start of the game, with associated changes to which assets on which side are on delayed spawn.
6) The plan is for a significantly larger Kashan style village in teh SW side of the map. again, no mordor mountains, so the infantry have a place which is 'theirs'
7) The British FOB on a raised area, tanks can get level with it but not above, this creates another place the infantry can own.

Also, note that I'm using the kashan sky.con. I want a similar sky, but I'll probably modify the texture to give a differnet ambiance.

I tried the desert rats sky.con and it looked very cinematic, but i don't think it suited the colourmaps at all. So I'm getting the nuts and bolts done and doing the sky.con later- but this should significantly change the ambiance and appearance of the map.

And in any case, what's wrong with a revamped kashan lol?

HangMan_ · 2009-10-26, 03:58

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Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

well, I've kinda answered that already, but seeing as its you.

1) there are no flat areas of the map, so the landscape feels pretty differnet to alot of kashan.
2) underground areas
3) no mordor mountain, Tanks can't sit on a hill and fire at anything inside the bunker complex, thus their effectiveness against infantry inside the complex is vastly reduced. (in theory anyways)
4) British Vs MEC balancing is significantly more interesting than USA vs MEC balancing imo. (BMP will defintately feature on this map, as will the scimitar)
5) Different gameplay dynamics. I am considering having the bunkers under MEC control at the start of the game, with associated changes to which assets on which side are on delayed spawn.
6) The plan is for a significantly larger Kashan style village in teh SW side of the map. again, no mordor mountains, so the infantry have a place which is 'theirs'
7) The British FOB on a raised area, tanks can get level with it but not above, this creates another place the infantry can own.

Also, note that I'm using the kashan sky.con. I want a similar sky, but I'll probably modify the texture to give a differnet ambiance.

I tried the desert rats sky.con and it looked very cinematic, but i don't think it suited the colourmaps at all. So I'm getting the nuts and bolts done and doing the sky.con later- but this should significantly change the ambiance and appearance of the map.

And in any case, what's wrong with a revamped kashan lol?

Cool. I think that you should have more than one of the SW Kashan style villages. But anyway now that i know the differences it sounds great

OkitaMakoto · 2009-10-26, 04:16

This sounds a lot like the map I have in the works. My words almost exactly were Kashan with a place for infantry... but also a sexy mixing of EJOD and Fallujah

Cant wait to see what you do with this, RUdd

fuzzhead · 2009-10-29, 15:30

Looks great rudd!!

and what is wrong with a reworked kashan hangman??? PR's most popular map, hell I'd love to see tons more maps just like kashan (minus the crazy hills), it gives us more places to shoot on and have awesome situations happen!

sheggalism · 2009-10-29, 20:15

Great ideas overall

Keep it up !

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4) British Vs MEC balancing is significantly more interesting than USA vs MEC balancing imo. (BMP will defintately feature on this map, as will the scimitar)

Good, assymetrical balance would be interesting with the British Army unique vehicle set, still I wonder how the FV107 Scimitar could possibly play a role on a heavy assets map like this, sounds like suicide for such a small armor vehicle.
I just don't know anything about this vehicle combat and survivability characteristics IRL, but it seems it has always been a PR player favorite despite its lightweight status.

Rhino · 2009-10-29, 20:21

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Originally Posted by [R-DEV]fuzzhead

and what is wrong with a reworked kashan hangman??? PR's most popular map, hell I'd love to see tons more maps just like kashan (minus the crazy hills), it gives us more places to shoot on and have awesome situations happen!

PR's 4th most popular map

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f25...0-87-maps.html

Snazz · 2009-10-29, 21:24

A replacement for Kashan sounds great to me.

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Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

PR's 4th most popular map

I'm surprised it's even 4th considering how unsuited it is for infantry.

Cheditor · 2009-10-29, 21:27

I wonder why Rhino posted seeing whats first :P
Scimitars will be very interesting, and hopefully people wont try to use them for full on combat >_>

Rudd · 2009-10-31, 21:14

Hi guys, no proper updates, just a request for help.

I can't find a good road tutorial anywhere, I specifically need a tut on intersections. If any1 knows a good one, feel free to post it.

ok, one update :P
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9082/43086378.jpg

This does work well, since you can't see in to the trench from most angles the terrain morphing problem is quite well hidden. I'm gonna get a mate on the map with me to see how it looks from the perspective of an air unit though.

The idea of this area of the map is that its a fortified location close to British lines, I'm having a go at making artillery crates around it (highly smoothed ofc) These might need a custom smoke effect to balance looks and performance, but that can come later.

One thing that annoyed me though, I tried just applying black colour on low power to darken the crates to make it look more burned. Looks fantastic until I save and load the map, the colour goes dotty. This an avoidable problem?

J.F.Leusch69 · 2009-10-31, 21:30

road intersections are mostly done as statics (you might already found those in the road folder), so best is either just make some (/use existing ones) or just overlayer the different roads, but that might look pretty bad.

to make the arty crates look good you can also use a "road" here, just look for "explosion_mark_xpack"/"explosion_markbig_xpack" and play around with the settings and add some undergrowth rocks to it and maybe some rocks to make it look more real. i never done this before but i am pretty sure its at least a good way

2009-10-26, 03:46	#31
Rudd Retired PR Developer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21,157 United Kingdom Location: Brighton Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] well, I've kinda answered that already, but seeing as its you. 1) there are no flat areas of the map, so the landscape feels pretty differnet to alot of kashan. 2) underground areas 3) no mordor mountain, Tanks can't sit on a hill and fire at anything inside the bunker complex, thus their effectiveness against infantry inside the complex is vastly reduced. (in theory anyways) 4) British Vs MEC balancing is significantly more interesting than USA vs MEC balancing imo. (BMP will defintately feature on this map, as will the scimitar) 5) Different gameplay dynamics. I am considering having the bunkers under MEC control at the start of the game, with associated changes to which assets on which side are on delayed spawn. 6) The plan is for a significantly larger Kashan style village in teh SW side of the map. again, no mordor mountains, so the infantry have a place which is 'theirs' 7) The British FOB on a raised area, tanks can get level with it but not above, this creates another place the infantry can own. Also, note that I'm using the kashan sky.con. I want a similar sky, but I'll probably modify the texture to give a differnet ambiance. I tried the desert rats sky.con and it looked very cinematic, but i don't think it suited the colourmaps at all. So I'm getting the nuts and bolts done and doing the sky.con later- but this should significantly change the ambiance and appearance of the map. And in any case, what's wrong with a revamped kashan lol?

2009-10-26, 04:16	#33
OkitaMakoto Retired PR Developer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,356 United States of America Location: North Carolina Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] This sounds a lot like the map I have in the works. My words almost exactly were Kashan with a place for infantry... but also a sexy mixing of EJOD and Fallujah Cant wait to see what you do with this, RUdd

2009-10-29, 15:30	#34
fuzzhead Retired PR Developer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,440 Canada Location: Vancouver Blog Entries: 10	Re: [Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] Looks great rudd!! and what is wrong with a reworked kashan hangman??? PR's most popular map, hell I'd love to see tons more maps just like kashan (minus the crazy hills), it gives us more places to shoot on and have awesome situations happen!

2009-10-29, 21:27	#38
Cheditor Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,330 United Kingdom Location: london	Re: [Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] I wonder why Rhino posted seeing whats first :P Scimitars will be very interesting, and hopefully people wont try to use them for full on combat >_>

2009-10-31, 21:14	#39
Rudd Retired PR Developer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21,157 United Kingdom Location: Brighton Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] Hi guys, no proper updates, just a request for help. I can't find a good road tutorial anywhere, I specifically need a tut on intersections. If any1 knows a good one, feel free to post it. ok, one update :P http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9082/43086378.jpg This does work well, since you can't see in to the trench from most angles the terrain morphing problem is quite well hidden. I'm gonna get a mate on the map with me to see how it looks from the perspective of an air unit though. The idea of this area of the map is that its a fortified location close to British lines, I'm having a go at making artillery crates around it (highly smoothed ofc) These might need a custom smoke effect to balance looks and performance, but that can come later. One thing that annoyed me though, I tried just applying black colour on low power to darken the crates to make it look more burned. Looks fantastic until I save and load the map, the colour goes dotty. This an avoidable problem?

2009-10-31, 21:30	#40
J.F.Leusch69 Retired PR Developer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,980 Germany Location: Cassel-fornia	Re: [Map] Al Muthana Desert (4km) [WIP] road intersections are mostly done as statics (you might already found those in the road folder), so best is either just make some (/use existing ones) or just overlayer the different roads, but that might look pretty bad. to make the arty crates look good you can also use a "road" here, just look for "explosion_mark_xpack"/"explosion_markbig_xpack" and play around with the settings and add some undergrowth rocks to it and maybe some rocks to make it look more real. i never done this before but i am pretty sure its at least a good way