[Faction Proposal] Swedish Forces Faction - Page 4

Phoenix.86 · 2008-09-23, 12:05

Why start a discussion about the pro's or contra's of comunity mods? It adds variety and spice to PR, although it might not make very much gameplay-wise changes it will keep people playing the mod just like the new shiny 0.8 maps do. If you're just talking about gameplay and modsize, then you could just cut the US Army and Brits as well... and I'm pretty sure nobody wants that.

Z-trooper · 2008-09-23, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Phoenix.86

If you're just talking about gameplay and modsize, then you could just cut the US Army and Brits as well... and I'm pretty sure nobody wants that.

Whatever this guy said

Good luck neighbours

Engineer · 2008-09-23, 13:52

Hmh, to whoever is suggesting that Swedish military is fighting against Russians or other conventional armies, I found it quite unrealistic.

Don't take this personally, but as far as I know the facts are that Sweden doesn't have a military that strenght that she could even protect herself at current state. This is something that has been brought up even in Swedish media, especially after what happened in Georgia.
Good links to read: Georgia conflict delays Swedish defence plan - The Local / http://www.thelocal.se/13674/20080813/

Anyhow, it is set to future.. Maybe Sweden has woken up before the PR is taking place.

But now, perhaps in some foreign missions where they are in visible role, but not in a 'nordic' battle... Atleast, not alone.

Cp · 2008-09-23, 14:31

Even when Sweden had a good 800 000ish man strong conscript army to mobilize (pre-soviet unions collapse), the plan was (in case of a soviet attack) to throw everything at the russians in form of armor and airforce to kill of their first wave and break them up and then fall back and conduct guerrilla warfare, all in all, the plan was to hold the soviets off for 14 days and hope for help from NATO or EU or someone.

the Swedish military today is different. its ALOT smaller, we still have the toys but not the boys to use them, we don't really have an army that can be deployed in time to fend of any attackers, Most of the money is spent on small quick response forces. These cost a lot due to the short notice they get until deployment so they need to be kept at a state to be deployed within a few weeks.

But it seems stuff is changing now after the Georgian conflict. Yesterday they announced that projects that were slapped with a "will most likely be canceled soon" stamp is going to get new funding, the JAS upgrade program being one.
So we might in the future be back to being a small country with a large defensive force.

BetterDeadThanRed · 2008-09-23, 23:31

The best suggestion I've seen in this entire thread was for a combined EU forces, or the Nordic Battle Group that was already suggested before. This has story potential with the Russians coming soon, unfortunately, having every obscure country on the face of the planet clamoring for their own extra 300MBs for each of us to download leaves me with a rather bitter taste.

Compromise is good.

And to the person who suggested removing the US or UK forces as a justification for your own army, I have this to say:

And also they contribute about 7/8ths of the mod population, and pissing them off for the minority will not end well. Fine line you are treading.

azreal64 · 2008-09-24, 01:23

dude that is the most awesome beard i've ever seen

STORM-Mama · 2008-09-24, 13:29

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Originally Posted by BetterDeadThanRed

unfortunately, having every obscure country on the face of the planet clamoring for their own extra 300MBs for each of us to download leaves me with a rather bitter taste.

Not only that. Too many similar armies will in the end be nothing but confusing. It's pointless to have like five-six small European armies portrayed in the same game.

Raegron · 2008-09-24, 13:32

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Originally Posted by STORM-Mama

Not only that. Too many similar armies will in the end be nothing but confusing. It's pointless to have like five-six small European armies portrayed in the same game.

Exactly. So a combined arms force of those countries is best, I gues. Not saying the swedish forces shouldn't be its own faction, but I think that there are other proposal factions should combine forces really, yes.

Phoenix.86 · 2008-09-24, 15:47

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Originally Posted by BetterDeadThanRed

And to the person who suggested removing the US or UK forces as a justification for your own army

Im from germany...so sweden isnt exactly my country. And i was being sarcastic, you just didn't bother to think about what I read.

I do agree that there are quite friggin many community factions out there, but let's be honest until all of those are finished it will take ages. If you do not have a decent broadband connection, you will not have any fun in pr anyway. I don't mind downloading several hundred megs more when i think about how long i play one pr release and spend quite a lot of time playing it - hence it is worth for me, you can disagree but still I wouldn't mind downloading a little longer for more variety.

P.S.: Awesome beard picture mate

DeltaFart · 2008-09-24, 18:47

I don't think that all the mods will have 300mb each. I mean with the amount of sharing going on, the mods can cut down on size. We could also have multiple maps with different force configurations on them.

2008-09-23, 12:05	#31
Phoenix.86 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423 Germany	Re: [Request] Swedish Forces mod Why start a discussion about the pro's or contra's of comunity mods? It adds variety and spice to PR, although it might not make very much gameplay-wise changes it will keep people playing the mod just like the new shiny 0.8 maps do. If you're just talking about gameplay and modsize, then you could just cut the US Army and Brits as well... and I'm pretty sure nobody wants that.
Phoenix.86 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423 Germany	ReadMenace: "...Could be wrong, the 6th soldier could be in the fetal position in the trunk. Or on the driver's lap. "Is that your radio poking me SL? Oh.. Ohgod.. It's not!"

2008-09-23, 13:52	#33
Engineer Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,051 Europe	Re: [Request] Swedish Forces mod Hmh, to whoever is suggesting that Swedish military is fighting against Russians or other conventional armies, I found it quite unrealistic. Don't take this personally, but as far as I know the facts are that Sweden doesn't have a military that strenght that she could even protect herself at current state. This is something that has been brought up even in Swedish media, especially after what happened in Georgia. Good links to read: Georgia conflict delays Swedish defence plan - The Local / http://www.thelocal.se/13674/20080813/ Anyhow, it is set to future.. Maybe Sweden has woken up before the PR is taking place. But now, perhaps in some foreign missions where they are in visible role, but not in a 'nordic' battle... Atleast, not alone.
Engineer Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,051 Europe

2008-09-23, 14:31	#34
Cp Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,226 Europe	Re: [Request] Swedish Forces mod Even when Sweden had a good 800 000ish man strong conscript army to mobilize (pre-soviet unions collapse), the plan was (in case of a soviet attack) to throw everything at the russians in form of armor and airforce to kill of their first wave and break them up and then fall back and conduct guerrilla warfare, all in all, the plan was to hold the soviets off for 14 days and hope for help from NATO or EU or someone. the Swedish military today is different. its ALOT smaller, we still have the toys but not the boys to use them, we don't really have an army that can be deployed in time to fend of any attackers, Most of the money is spent on small quick response forces. These cost a lot due to the short notice they get until deployment so they need to be kept at a state to be deployed within a few weeks. But it seems stuff is changing now after the Georgian conflict. Yesterday they announced that projects that were slapped with a "will most likely be canceled soon" stamp is going to get new funding, the JAS upgrade program being one. So we might in the future be back to being a small country with a large defensive force.
Cp Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,226 Europe

2008-09-23, 23:31	#35
BetterDeadThanRed Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,728 United States of America Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado	Re: [Request] Swedish Forces mod The best suggestion I've seen in this entire thread was for a combined EU forces, or the Nordic Battle Group that was already suggested before. This has story potential with the Russians coming soon, unfortunately, having every obscure country on the face of the planet clamoring for their own extra 300MBs for each of us to download leaves me with a rather bitter taste. Compromise is good. And to the person who suggested removing the US or UK forces as a justification for your own army, I have this to say: And also they contribute about 7/8ths of the mod population, and pissing them off for the minority will not end well. Fine line you are treading.

2008-09-24, 01:23	#36
azreal64 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 188 United States of America	Re: [Request] Swedish Forces mod dude that is the most awesome beard i've ever seen

2008-09-24, 18:47	#40
DeltaFart Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,385 United States of America Location: Glassboro NJ	Re: [Request] Swedish Forces mod I don't think that all the mods will have 300mb each. I mean with the amount of sharing going on, the mods can cut down on size. We could also have multiple maps with different force configurations on them.