v1.0 Open Beta AtG AT Missile Splash Damage

[Celestial1]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]Mongolian_dude

Sorry Rhino, but it looks like giving the LT and LG Helfires different damage values is the only way to make the weapons act realistically if you insist on giving LG an small splash damage.

Wouldn't that still be broken, though?

1.0 reduced the splash of hellfires, which now means that soft targets not the direct target of the missile are no longer murdificated on splash, but making LT retain the old splash damage would mean that helo gunners can laze and fire LT to get the ability to wipe all of the squishy infantry within 20m again.

I guess it's mitigated the smaller the splash for LT is made but still, can result in some silly exploit tactics for gunners.

[Jolly]

When my tank doesn't have ATGM and nme's does.
I'd not dare to take the tank...

[Mongolian_dude]

Originally Posted by Celestial1

Wouldn't that still be broken, though?

1.0 reduced the splash of hellfires, which now means that soft targets not the direct target of the missile are no longer murdificated on splash, but making LT retain the old splash damage would mean that helo gunners can laze and fire LT to get the ability to wipe all of the squishy infantry within 20m again.

I guess it's mitigated the smaller the splash for LT is made but still, can result in some silly exploit tactics for gunners.

Reverting the splash to the old value is likely not necessary, but a small amount of testing should give us a more fitting/realistic value than a vote on the forums.
It would also be entirely up to the gunner whether they want to waste time and ATGMs on INF like that when they (except the GER Tiger) have a perfectly capable cannon for this exact purpose.


...mongol...

[chrisweb89]

Gunner's can't lase for themselves,and even when they could no one did because the lase flies super slow and is super glitchy. Why would I attempt to lase a target for myself, when in that time I could get two manual missiles off, and with less glitchy shit going on, and when my pilot isn't hovering.

About the LTs though, they are currently broken and their only use is on inf, trucks, or very AA hot areas where you can't hold steady. They aren't reliable in any way (not the LGs are too reliable either), you shoot two missiles at a lased tank, they both track and follow the good lase and tank drives away with no damage done because of the removal of splash damage. Splash damage is what lets the laser targeted weapons work because the lase doesn't stick perfectly on the vehicle, and until lases act properly, the LTs missiles should make up for their short coming to still form an effective weapon system.

[Mongolian_dude]

Originally Posted by chrisweb89

Gunner's can't lase for themselves,and even when they could no one did because the lase flies super slow and is super glitchy. Why would I attempt to lase a target for myself, when in that time I could get two manual missiles off, and with less glitchy shit going on, and when my pilot isn't hovering.

About the LTs though, they are currently broken and their only use is on inf, trucks, or very AA hot areas where you can't hold steady. They aren't reliable in any way (not the LGs are too reliable either), you shoot two missiles at a lased tank, they both track and follow the good lase and tank drives away with no damage done because of the removal of splash damage. Splash damage is what lets the laser targeted weapons work because the lase doesn't stick perfectly on the vehicle, and until lases act properly, the LTs missiles should make up for their short coming to still form an effective weapon system.

But chris, thats not realistic!
What do you want, it being unrealistic and working (as RL) or it realistically not working (which is entirely unrealistic and not at all like real life) ?

Wait... wut?


Giving two different splash values is the only compromise to balance this issue out, as the ultimate goal of this mod is to provide realistic and enjoyable/logical gameplay. If we can make all the little intricacies as real as they are IRL, thats awesome, but in this instance we cant afford to do so as it entirely compromises gameplay logic, emersion and enjoyability.

Ergo? Separate dat sheet.



...mongol...

[sirfstar]

At least you should kill anything with 1 hit of LT missile.
Papier-mache AGM-114 - YouTube from 0:30
LT is completely useless, missile hitting the lase and doing nothing, why it's still there then?

[Qside]

bad laze.

[Inspektura43]

Just get yourself a good gunner and never trust LT

[sirfstar]

that's the consequence of broken lase placement, not the gunner's fault. And while we had that big splash in pre-1.0 no one cared about LT, but now things are different

[Rhino]

For our next test build we are looking at testing Mats39's improved laser physics here that should allow for lasers to stick on their targets better.

Originally Posted by Mats391

using RotationalPoint instead of Point as physics type seems to be a huge improvement.
For example i tested Point vs RotationalPoint both with the current 250m/s

The RotationalPoint ones stick tighter to where you aim and are more consistant. With Point they sometimes didnt stick at all while RotationalPoint did just fine.

We've yet to test this out ourselves but so far it dose look promising and providing there are no unforeseen issues with this and it works the way we hope it dose, then this should solve the big underlying issue with "Laser Targeted".