Lone wolf? - Page 5

503 · 2010-01-29, 16:14

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Originally Posted by [R-DEV]motherdear

4) I got more than my own set of eyes

This is the main reason why lone wolfing does not work. With 6 people, you spot out targets efficiently, and take them out faster... unless it's a SAW gunner.

Herbiie · 2010-01-29, 16:53

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Originally Posted by RedWater

/Facepalm.

Joker is saying that you cant win if the enemy kills you and you dont kill him. Just because YOU YOURSELF does not kill the enemy doesnt mean someone else is not doing it.
When youre medic you help your TEAM killing. But sometimes YOU have to be the one killing. And thats something a competent lonewolf can be very good indeed.

Thats why I do it from time to time aswell

/facepalm to you too
Yes and I was disagreeing, on Insurgency especially it's not the team with the higher KDR, and on AAS it's usually the team that controls the best ground and takes out even assets.

Infantry maps are usually settled with one side capping out the other.

gazzthompson · 2010-01-29, 17:17

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Originally Posted by BossOlen

Although they are hated, sometimes lonewolfs are useful. For example on Muttrah city USMC rarely get past the docks - this could be easily fixed if 1 lonewolf would go behind enemy lines with boat(which is never used) and take out MEC fb-s, every single one of them. It's pretty hard to be sneaky with a full 6-man squad. FB is not hard to take down alone, and taking it down benefits your team alot.

Please never do this, i call em "black hole squads" where you click on the squad and the squad is every part of the map with sniper kits, HAT kits , marksman. if you wanna be on your own, do it on your own dont effect other players and leave a open squad.

DaKillerFox · 2010-01-29, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Alex6714

Intel is the key to everything, whether it be helicopter hovering in distance, apc driving around or squad attacking, 1 guy telling them whats going on is 500% better than 12 guys just ignoring them.

Why can't this be achieved in a squad with a guy or two doing some reconnaissance?

DaKillerFox · 2010-01-29, 17:34

I think you guys all fail to mention one thing. While many of you are L33T players with Sniper, Marksman, HAT kit, etc. etc. Not everyone is so awesome, especially new players. Now you might be getting a nice high KDR or whatever, but you're not helping your team really. If all you do is offer intel and the squads can make use of it, that's great. But what about new players and squads that need some improvement? You're not helping out your team because you're not helping out new players or supporting them in the way that they could use your help. Sure, as a medic, you can revive a guy or two, or offer some support fire, but imagine how much better the teams would be, if you were there to help a guy learn how to be a medic? Instead of healing the medics from other squads that go down, maybe he's new, or maybe he doesn't know how to identify good cover. If you showed him these things or gave him tips, he'd be a better medic, AR, or whatever and that would benefit the team most. What you all talk about are shot term gains, yeah they help win the map and the round, but what about the next map, the next round, tomorrow? I think a competent squad mate and even more a competent squad leader do more good than a really elite sniper or lone wolf.

Duck · 2010-01-31, 01:08

good to see that people take this topic seriously. good to see people that say no and people who say yes 2 loners.

Today alone again, 9-1kdr and cus of my intel reports 4+ enemy squads killed. My intel also saved a few friendly lives. Another win for loners.

And its true that with a squad ur chances of succes are better, but the only people that i know are good enough to be part of my squad are allready squad leaders...

And bout new players. I enjoy most of them because they are currios and follow orders because they dont know what to do. Some times, a guy with no aim but who sits where u put him to sit can supress down an entire squad while u sneak up behind them. But thats off topic.

Nick_Gunar · 2010-02-01, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Duck

And bout new players. I enjoy most of them because they are currios and follow orders because they dont know what to do. Some times, a guy with no aim but who sits where u put him to sit can supress down an entire squad while u sneak up behind them. But thats off topic.

Or blew your stealth movement shooting at everything from a long distance lol.

Let's go back to the topic : Loners can only be good as spotter (I assume no loners would enter a squad to take a kit then leave, wouldn't they? or if we assume a loner inside a squad for a specific job per se). Alos, they can be good at killing single target (sniper comes to my mind).

As far as i am concerned, I am a terrible lone wolf lol. Everytime, I face a whole enemy squad and even if I can kill two guys they still take me down (and of course, the two guys are revived lol).

We can see that loners can be new players (without a mic not to bother "other" mic players) or just pure lone wolf who like rambo, predator and the sound of music. They can be an asset as long as there are not too many of them.

Duck · 2010-02-01, 09:29

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Originally Posted by Nick_Gunar

As far as i am concerned, I am a terrible lone wolf lol. Everytime, I face a whole enemy squad and even if I can kill two guys they still take me down (and of course, the two guys are revived lol).

Thats the thing, i can kill most of them and not even get shot at, and they cant get revived cus their medic is kinda dead and i got my sights on his body so nobody takes his kit.

Heskey · 2010-02-01, 11:54

Lone wolfing to get 'lots of kills' is a terrible idea and doesn't really help your team unless you're an insurgent (in which case dying is still bad as it gives them intel points).

Lone wolfing to get intel / take out high priority targets can however, be a godsend, provided that:

A.) You can do the job (anyone can stay alive by hiding in a corner, but if you can't move from place-to-place to be useful, you're useless)
B.) You're not shit at it (and just get spotted/shot and give the enemy your kit & tickets)

Depending on the map or objective you're trying to achieve, depends on the kit you'd be using. Generally 'lone wolfing' refers to the use of sniper kits, which is good for taking out priority targets (medics, SLs, crewmen), but generally the 'best kit' for spotting patterns/intel (such as where insurgents keep running to after firing RPGs to rearm) is definately the specialist kit simply for the ability to get to high places that no one will either think of, or if they do, usually be unable to reach. Afterall, you only really need your binocs.

Lone wolfing relies on the ability to make unconventional and often long path ways to infiltrate the enemy lines and get yourself into a good position without being spotted, and after a few minutes in a location, keep moving so as not to arouse suspicion.

I've said this in another thread before, but some of my best rounds have been as a scout-sniper on Al Basra as the British; infiltrating the heart of the city, NOT going up the bloody hotel, and relaying intel back to the team (big red, caches, hideouts, RPG troops, bomb cars) whilst also getting the occasional crafty kill myself...

Whilst having a specialist with me to get somewhere inaccessable to the enemy would be great...

A.) Being someone's bitch just for the simple fact that you carry a rope isn't fun.
B.) Being someone's bitch because although they have binocs, you using yours so they don't have to wait for rifle-settle time is more effective.
C.) A tag-a-long runs the risk of being seen (the enemy may not see YOU running across the road, but they may see your friend behind you)
D.) I don't trust anyone else to perform a task I feel capable of doing better than me (tasks I don't like/feel incapable of doing I always leave to other people, such as tank gunning (I drive), it's not that I 'think I'm the best', but I can stop myself from curiously looking around a corner and getting shot... I can't stop the person with me).

There is another skill you need to be great at before being an effective lonewolf; knowing when and how to get the hell out of there when the shit hits the fan.

Dying is not an option if you have a sniper kit against insurgents. I've said this before as well, than when playing PR in squads I tend to find in a firefight it's myself that stays alive and ends up regrouping with the rest of my respawned squad. I've got good instincts, and I don't wait until the last minute to change position or retreat entirely.

You just gotta know where to go, to drop everything and get out of there FAST; if you're spotted, killing that person won't stop them coming back later with all their friends.

Long winded I know, but I'm bored at work... Lone wolfing for intel is great, but lone wolfing 'for the hell of it' is just silly.

Shaihuluid · 2010-02-17, 20:31

I guess It's kinda hypocritical after all the pro-team jargon I tend to spout, but I often like lone-wolfing it on uncrowded maps where the win is not all a big deal.

There's something really quite fun about taking your time and going bush-to-bush for about 8 minutes, and than setting up your rifle in the PERFECT ambush position.

Personally, I treat it as a one-man hunting expedition: only engage targets if you feel like it, and do it when it suits you. There's no rush or anything, so just take it in...

OGT was probably the best for this... sneak over the mountain as british and set up in a hunters blind near the enemy uncap... It was perfect.

Of course, the down-side is that if you get shot, you're most likely gonna die

and since it's irritatinng to spend your whole round walking back to get shot, I only do this every once in a while, and never twice-in-a-row.

Al-Basrah is pretty good for this as well... just sneak through the fields and camp up in a house.

2010-01-29, 17:34	#45
DaKillerFox Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 128 United States of America	Re: Lone wolf? I think you guys all fail to mention one thing. While many of you are L33T players with Sniper, Marksman, HAT kit, etc. etc. Not everyone is so awesome, especially new players. Now you might be getting a nice high KDR or whatever, but you're not helping your team really. If all you do is offer intel and the squads can make use of it, that's great. But what about new players and squads that need some improvement? You're not helping out your team because you're not helping out new players or supporting them in the way that they could use your help. Sure, as a medic, you can revive a guy or two, or offer some support fire, but imagine how much better the teams would be, if you were there to help a guy learn how to be a medic? Instead of healing the medics from other squads that go down, maybe he's new, or maybe he doesn't know how to identify good cover. If you showed him these things or gave him tips, he'd be a better medic, AR, or whatever and that would benefit the team most. What you all talk about are shot term gains, yeah they help win the map and the round, but what about the next map, the next round, tomorrow? I think a competent squad mate and even more a competent squad leader do more good than a really elite sniper or lone wolf.

2010-01-31, 01:08	#46
Duck Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 36 Norway	Re: Lone wolf? good to see that people take this topic seriously. good to see people that say no and people who say yes 2 loners. Today alone again, 9-1kdr and cus of my intel reports 4+ enemy squads killed. My intel also saved a few friendly lives. Another win for loners. And its true that with a squad ur chances of succes are better, but the only people that i know are good enough to be part of my squad are allready squad leaders... And bout new players. I enjoy most of them because they are currios and follow orders because they dont know what to do. Some times, a guy with no aim but who sits where u put him to sit can supress down an entire squad while u sneak up behind them. But thats off topic.
Duck Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 36 Norway

2010-02-01, 11:54	#49
Heskey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,505 United Kingdom Location: Lancashire	Re: Lone wolf? Lone wolfing to get 'lots of kills' is a terrible idea and doesn't really help your team unless you're an insurgent (in which case dying is still bad as it gives them intel points). Lone wolfing to get intel / take out high priority targets can however, be a godsend, provided that: A.) You can do the job (anyone can stay alive by hiding in a corner, but if you can't move from place-to-place to be useful, you're useless) B.) You're not shit at it (and just get spotted/shot and give the enemy your kit & tickets) Depending on the map or objective you're trying to achieve, depends on the kit you'd be using. Generally 'lone wolfing' refers to the use of sniper kits, which is good for taking out priority targets (medics, SLs, crewmen), but generally the 'best kit' for spotting patterns/intel (such as where insurgents keep running to after firing RPGs to rearm) is definately the specialist kit simply for the ability to get to high places that no one will either think of, or if they do, usually be unable to reach. Afterall, you only really need your binocs. Lone wolfing relies on the ability to make unconventional and often long path ways to infiltrate the enemy lines and get yourself into a good position without being spotted, and after a few minutes in a location, keep moving so as not to arouse suspicion. I've said this in another thread before, but some of my best rounds have been as a scout-sniper on Al Basra as the British; infiltrating the heart of the city, NOT going up the bloody hotel, and relaying intel back to the team (big red, caches, hideouts, RPG troops, bomb cars) whilst also getting the occasional crafty kill myself... Whilst having a specialist with me to get somewhere inaccessable to the enemy would be great... A.) Being someone's bitch just for the simple fact that you carry a rope isn't fun. B.) Being someone's bitch because although they have binocs, you using yours so they don't have to wait for rifle-settle time is more effective. C.) A tag-a-long runs the risk of being seen (the enemy may not see YOU running across the road, but they may see your friend behind you) D.) I don't trust anyone else to perform a task I feel capable of doing better than me (tasks I don't like/feel incapable of doing I always leave to other people, such as tank gunning (I drive), it's not that I 'think I'm the best', but I can stop myself from curiously looking around a corner and getting shot... I can't stop the person with me). There is another skill you need to be great at before being an effective lonewolf; knowing when and how to get the hell out of there when the shit hits the fan. Dying is not an option if you have a sniper kit against insurgents. I've said this before as well, than when playing PR in squads I tend to find in a firefight it's myself that stays alive and ends up regrouping with the rest of my respawned squad. I've got good instincts, and I don't wait until the last minute to change position or retreat entirely. You just gotta know where to go, to drop everything and get out of there FAST; if you're spotted, killing that person won't stop them coming back later with all their friends. Long winded I know, but I'm bored at work... Lone wolfing for intel is great, but lone wolfing 'for the hell of it' is just silly.

2010-02-17, 20:31	#50
Shaihuluid Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 529 South Africa	Re: Lone wolf? I guess It's kinda hypocritical after all the pro-team jargon I tend to spout, but I often like lone-wolfing it on uncrowded maps where the win is not all a big deal. There's something really quite fun about taking your time and going bush-to-bush for about 8 minutes, and than setting up your rifle in the PERFECT ambush position. Personally, I treat it as a one-man hunting expedition: only engage targets if you feel like it, and do it when it suits you. There's no rush or anything, so just take it in... OGT was probably the best for this... sneak over the mountain as british and set up in a hunters blind near the enemy uncap... It was perfect. Of course, the down-side is that if you get shot, you're most likely gonna die and since it's irritatinng to spend your whole round walking back to get shot, I only do this every once in a while, and never twice-in-a-row. Al-Basrah is pretty good for this as well... just sneak through the fields and camp up in a house.
Shaihuluid Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 529 South Africa