Arty

Lucid Nightmare · 2007-02-16, 02:28

Well, I was playing operation ghost train the other day and this wonderful idea struck me.

How it came to be was, when either north or south bridge got neutralised, i would call arty on it and prep a grenade. As the arty was falling, my squad would close the distance, timing just right so we could get to the bunker just after the arty stopped and lob a grenade in the door. Killing those inside.

That got me thinking about what the some of the uses for arty are in reality.
Destruction and suppression.

Seeing as we already have the destruction element, I think it would be interesting to add a suppression element to it as well.

Here is the idea.
Double the arty radius, but keep the same number of shells in the barrage to make it a little bit more random and not as predictable like it is now (and to make it larger of course).
Keep the shell explosion/damage the same, but, dramatically increase the distance that you will receive suppression from that shell (ie, the blurry vision).
Increase the time that the player has this blurry vision after receiving it from a shell impact. Something around 15-30 seconds. The larger the better but it may have balancing issues.

I feel this would better simulate arty than what is in now. The suppression effect would simulate the shockwave, soldiers being cautious about popping their heads out of where ever they were taking cover, lest the barrage had only experienced a short pause, not to mention the all manner of other reasons. Both psychological and physical.

When used in conjunction with assaulting troops, this should become an extremely lethal combination.

So, only two questions remain.
Is it possible and do people like the idea?

BetterDeadThanRed · 2007-02-16, 02:36

Yeah, I like it.

DrMcCleod · 2007-02-16, 10:29

The following video (Iraq) shows an insurgent rocket launching position being used and then a US counter-artillery strike.
Go to 2:20 to see what an artillery strike looks like, it is rather like you suggest.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f736a_4507

*edited* *blush*

Lucid Nightmare · 2007-02-16, 10:37

indeed. An invisible video link.....

causticbeat · 2007-02-16, 11:43

what that makes me want is more smoke on arty shell impact

[PTG]Z.user · 2007-02-16, 11:47

I love watching the arty through my scope..its sooo pretty lol.
I like the idea of a ringing noise for a few seconds after arty hits to give it that realism feel.

[EtE]Ryanplatt · 2007-02-16, 11:48

omg the sound of that arty is fantastic.. i want one!

Lucid Nightmare · 2007-02-16, 11:55

notice the duct kicked up by the shockwave? That'd probably knock you on your arse and make your ears hurt real bad.

All ties into my suppression idea. Unfortunately, the blurry screen effect is probably the best that could be done with the bf2 engine. It would be nice if people inside the suppression radius were forced to go prone to simulate the shockwave, but probably not possible.

fuzzhead · 2007-02-16, 13:56

impossible to edit the vbf2 arty. changes are coming however to get rid of vbf2 arty and put in PR specific long range support. 0.6

DrMcCleod · 2007-02-16, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]fuzzhead

impossible to edit the vbf2 arty. changes are coming however to get rid of vbf2 arty and put in PR specific long range support. 0.6

Interesting news!

(Use the sound effects off the video, oh plz, oh plz, oh plz).

2007-02-16, 02:28	#1
Lucid Nightmare Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 538 Location: Western Australia	Arty Well, I was playing operation ghost train the other day and this wonderful idea struck me. How it came to be was, when either north or south bridge got neutralised, i would call arty on it and prep a grenade. As the arty was falling, my squad would close the distance, timing just right so we could get to the bunker just after the arty stopped and lob a grenade in the door. Killing those inside. That got me thinking about what the some of the uses for arty are in reality. Destruction and suppression. Seeing as we already have the destruction element, I think it would be interesting to add a suppression element to it as well. Here is the idea. Double the arty radius, but keep the same number of shells in the barrage to make it a little bit more random and not as predictable like it is now (and to make it larger of course). Keep the shell explosion/damage the same, but, dramatically increase the distance that you will receive suppression from that shell (ie, the blurry vision). Increase the time that the player has this blurry vision after receiving it from a shell impact. Something around 15-30 seconds. The larger the better but it may have balancing issues. I feel this would better simulate arty than what is in now. The suppression effect would simulate the shockwave, soldiers being cautious about popping their heads out of where ever they were taking cover, lest the barrage had only experienced a short pause, not to mention the all manner of other reasons. Both psychological and physical. When used in conjunction with assaulting troops, this should become an extremely lethal combination. So, only two questions remain. Is it possible and do people like the idea?

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2007-02-16, 10:29	#3
DrMcCleod Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 366	The following video (Iraq) shows an insurgent rocket launching position being used and then a US counter-artillery strike. Go to 2:20 to see what an artillery strike looks like, it is rather like you suggest. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f736a_4507 edited blush
DrMcCleod Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 366
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2007-02-16, 11:43	#5
causticbeat Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,070	what that makes me want is more smoke on arty shell impact
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2007-02-16, 11:48	#7
[EtE]Ryanplatt Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 60	omg the sound of that arty is fantastic.. i want one!
[EtE]Ryanplatt Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 60

2007-02-16, 02:36	#2
BetterDeadThanRed Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,728 United States of America Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado	Yeah, I like it.

2007-02-16, 10:37	#4
Lucid Nightmare Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 538 Location: Western Australia	indeed. An invisible video link.....

2007-02-16, 11:47	#6
[PTG]Z.user Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 142 Location: Ireland	I love watching the arty through my scope..its sooo pretty lol. I like the idea of a ringing noise for a few seconds after arty hits to give it that realism feel.

2007-02-16, 11:55	#8
Lucid Nightmare Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 538 Location: Western Australia	notice the duct kicked up by the shockwave? That'd probably knock you on your arse and make your ears hurt real bad. All ties into my suppression idea. Unfortunately, the blurry screen effect is probably the best that could be done with the bf2 engine. It would be nice if people inside the suppression radius were forced to go prone to simulate the shockwave, but probably not possible.

2007-02-16, 13:56	#9
fuzzhead Retired PR Developer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,440 Canada Location: Vancouver Blog Entries: 10	impossible to edit the vbf2 arty. changes are coming however to get rid of vbf2 arty and put in PR specific long range support. 0.6