Guns Recoil increased in Semi-Auto?

obpmgmua · 2014-08-04, 08:50

Something I've noticed that when you are firing any weapon in semi-auto the recoil is much much higher.

Why is that? Shouldn't the recoil be the same per shot regardless of the mode of fire?

~~ComradeHX~~ · 2014-08-04, 08:51

Apparently it's because recoil animation that does not finish when second shot happens is cancelled entirely.

Thus faster fullauto weapons(such as most BluFor rifles) have much lower recoil on spray-and-pray mode.

Spec · 2014-08-04, 09:57

Sadly, that is true and due to the way the engine and animation / recoil system works.

Rhino · 2014-08-04, 15:00

Some weapons in r/l are designed to have the next round fired counter the recoil of the round fired before it so in full auto there is hardly any recoil because each shot' recoil is countered by the one that comes after it, until your last shot in full auto.

Granted this isn't the reason for it being like this ingame on pretty much all auto weapons but same principles may be applying ingame as above, with the next shots recoil stopping the shot before it from having its full effect.

[R-DEV]Mats391 · 2014-08-04, 15:03

We are trying to resolve this issue, but so far the code that should help did not prove to be functioning.

obpmgmua · 2014-08-04, 19:09

You know I kinda like it. It balances out semi-auto somewhat. Unlike BF3/4/HL, the higher recoil in semi doesn't diminish from the guns performance. I don't know about the rest of the playerbase, but I prefer aimed accurate shots even well below 50M.

~~ComradeHX~~ · 2014-08-04, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by obpmgmua

You know I kinda like it. It balances out semi-auto somewhat. Unlike BF3/4/HL, the higher recoil in semi doesn't diminish from the guns performance. I don't know about the rest of the playerbase, but I prefer aimed accurate shots even well below 50M.

It creates huge imbalance in small arms because anything firing at 600rpm is much less effective than anything firing at 900rpm or higher.

Short range engagement is much more often and important in PR because long range can (sometimes) be avoided.

fromage99 · 2014-08-05, 09:42

I find that setting
"ObjectTemplate.recoil.goBackOnRecoil 0" back to "ObjectTemplate.recoil.goBackOnRecoil 1"
made recoil between semi-auto and burst/full-auto go back to parity.

However, I find that leaving it set to 0 on weapons that are single-shot, pump-action, or bolt-action works well.

Souls Of Mischief · 2014-08-05, 10:18

Maaaan, Infiltration is still the only game where using semi-auto in CQB was more effective than going full-auto, for the most part, at least. Perhaps I have my nostalgia glasses on, but I remember that being the case.

Brainlaag · 2014-08-05, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souls Of Mischief

Maaaan, Infiltration is still the only game where using semi-auto in CQB was more effective than going full-auto, for the most part, at least. Perhaps I have my nostalgia glasses on, but I remember that being the case.

It was and that shit is what, 15 years old? Too bad it's successor (Phoenix Rising) died out, it looked so promising

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Rhino Retired PR Developer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 47,448 United Kingdom Location: Somerset - UK Blog Entries: 45	Re: Guns Recoil increased in Semi-Auto? Some weapons in r/l are designed to have the next round fired counter the recoil of the round fired before it so in full auto there is hardly any recoil because each shot' recoil is countered by the one that comes after it, until your last shot in full auto. Granted this isn't the reason for it being like this ingame on pretty much all auto weapons but same principles may be applying ingame as above, with the next shots recoil stopping the shot before it from having its full effect.

2014-08-04, 15:03	#5
[R-DEV]Mats391 PR:BF2 Lead Developer Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7,576 Germany Location: Muenster Blog Entries: 6	Re: Guns Recoil increased in Semi-Auto? We are trying to resolve this issue, but so far the code that should help did not prove to be functioning.

2014-08-04, 19:09	#6
obpmgmua Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 390 Afghanistan	Re: Guns Recoil increased in Semi-Auto? You know I kinda like it. It balances out semi-auto somewhat. Unlike BF3/4/HL, the higher recoil in semi doesn't diminish from the guns performance. I don't know about the rest of the playerbase, but I prefer aimed accurate shots even well below 50M.
obpmgmua Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 390 Afghanistan

2014-08-05, 09:42	#8
fromage99 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33 Canada	Re: Guns Recoil increased in Semi-Auto? I find that setting "ObjectTemplate.recoil.goBackOnRecoil 0" back to "ObjectTemplate.recoil.goBackOnRecoil 1" made recoil between semi-auto and burst/full-auto go back to parity. However, I find that leaving it set to 0 on weapons that are single-shot, pump-action, or bolt-action works well.
fromage99 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 33 Canada

2014-08-05, 10:18	#9
Souls Of Mischief Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,377 Netherlands Antilles	Re: Guns Recoil increased in Semi-Auto? Maaaan, Infiltration is still the only game where using semi-auto in CQB was more effective than going full-auto, for the most part, at least. Perhaps I have my nostalgia glasses on, but I remember that being the case.