v1.6.3 Oneshot Garand

PBAsydney · 2020-10-06, 14:22

Make garand and gewehr not oneshot for better WWII gameplay.

~~Raidonrai~~ · 2020-10-06, 14:29

yes please

[R-DEV]AlonTavor · 2020-10-06, 14:29

+1

semi-auto should do ~90 damage to body center

[R-DEV]Arab · 2020-10-07, 00:06

+1

sounds good, though will get some team feedback on it before changing.

UncleSmek · 2020-10-07, 10:03

Even though its a bitch to get one shot it kind of makes sense. If you take a mauser shot anywhere near your torso you'd drop to the ground. Also 1v1 duels in the hedgerows become strange if you have to shoot several times to kill someone. The mosin and how it works is a perfect example of this. There are great discrepancies when it comes to the damage different bolt actions do. If you are to change anything one way or the other atleast have some form of consistency. Right now, I'd rather have a gun issued to the militia hat than this useless mosin.

Edit: Semi-autos are one thing though, maybe they could need a damage decrease, but if you decrease the damage of the garand please increase the one of the M1 carbine which feels oh so weak right now.

[R-CON]Frontliner · 2020-10-07, 10:28

The Carbine has noticeably less recoil and nearly twice the capacity compared to it. It requires 2 or 3 shots to kill if I'm not mistaken, maybe 4 if all shots hit the per limbs?, so ist's not that weak, it is just underwhelming if everything else but a few weapons has oneshot-capabiliy.

PBAsydney · 2020-10-07, 10:41

Imagine being a german officer and choosing between Gewehr 41 and MP40. Now imagine actually selecting the MP40 over the Gewehr because you expect to be fighting in very close quarters.

This is the kind of balance I want. Currently the Gewehr is 100% always the best choice in any engagement over the MP40 because you oneshot everything.

Also I suspect the bushcamp meta would be decreased slightly if people aren't getting oneshot left and right.

UncleSmek · 2020-10-07, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBAsydney

Imagine being a german officer and choosing between Gewehr 41 and MP40. Now imagine actually selecting the MP40 over the Gewehr because you expect to be fighting in very close quarters.

This is the kind of balance I want. Currently the Gewehr is 100% always the best choice in any engagement over the MP40 because you oneshot everything.

Also I suspect the bushcamp meta would be decreased slightly if people aren't getting oneshot left and right.

But then you'd want to buff the mp40 somehow because now,whether or not the rate of fire is realistic, it feels inferior to the one-shot gewehr. Maybe a dev with the insight to whether or not that is true.

[R-CON]Frontliner · 2020-10-07, 16:58

MP40 is in a fine spot to be perfectly honest. It may seem lacking in damage due to - again - most primary weapons having that nasty oneshot capability, but it's a very controllable firearm with its low fire rate and around the lowest recoil in the game. It feels really easy to use which is a definate plus, most other firearms in WW2 are plagued by either low capacity, or take ages to steady, or have much more recoil, or aren't fully automatic, or a combination of the aforementioned. It's not the best firearm - that would be the StG - but it is very much capable nevertheless.

hairyballs · 2020-10-07, 21:44

Bolt actions - 1 shot
Semi auto - 2 shot
Carbine - 3 shot

simple as

2020-10-06, 14:22	#1
PBAsydney Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 365 Iceland	Oneshot Garand Make garand and gewehr not oneshot for better WWII gameplay.
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2020-10-06, 14:29	#2
~~Raidonrai~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 88 United Kingdom	Re: Oneshot Garand yes please

2020-10-06, 14:29	#3
[R-DEV]AlonTavor PR:BF2 Developer Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,988 Israel	Re: Oneshot Garand +1 semi-auto should do ~90 damage to body center

2020-10-07, 00:06	#4
[R-DEV]Arab PR:BF2 Developer Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2,814 Australia Blog Entries: 6	Re: Oneshot Garand +1 sounds good, though will get some team feedback on it before changing.

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2020-10-07, 10:03	#5
UncleSmek Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,008 Sweden Location: Stockholm	Re: Oneshot Garand Even though its a bitch to get one shot it kind of makes sense. If you take a mauser shot anywhere near your torso you'd drop to the ground. Also 1v1 duels in the hedgerows become strange if you have to shoot several times to kill someone. The mosin and how it works is a perfect example of this. There are great discrepancies when it comes to the damage different bolt actions do. If you are to change anything one way or the other atleast have some form of consistency. Right now, I'd rather have a gun issued to the militia hat than this useless mosin. Edit: Semi-autos are one thing though, maybe they could need a damage decrease, but if you decrease the damage of the garand please increase the one of the M1 carbine which feels oh so weak right now.

2020-10-07, 10:28	#6
[R-CON]Frontliner PR:BF2 Contributor Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,874 Germany	Re: Oneshot Garand The Carbine has noticeably less recoil and nearly twice the capacity compared to it. It requires 2 or 3 shots to kill if I'm not mistaken, maybe 4 if all shots hit the per limbs?, so ist's not that weak, it is just underwhelming if everything else but a few weapons has oneshot-capabiliy.
	VTRaptor: but i only stopped for less than 10 secs and that fucking awesome dude put 2 of them ]CIA[ SwampFox: well my definition of glitching is using an enemy kit to kill the enemy Just_Dave: i have a list about PR players, and they r categorized by their skill Para: You sir are an arse and not what the game or our community needs. AlonTavor: Is that a German trying to make me concentrate? Heavy Death: join PRTA instead - Teamwork is a must there.

2020-10-07, 10:41	#7
PBAsydney Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 365 Iceland	Re: Oneshot Garand Imagine being a german officer and choosing between Gewehr 41 and MP40. Now imagine actually selecting the MP40 over the Gewehr because you expect to be fighting in very close quarters. This is the kind of balance I want. Currently the Gewehr is 100% always the best choice in any engagement over the MP40 because you oneshot everything. Also I suspect the bushcamp meta would be decreased slightly if people aren't getting oneshot left and right.
PBAsydney Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 365 Iceland	HITREG CARRY

2020-10-07, 16:58	#9
[R-CON]Frontliner PR:BF2 Contributor Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,874 Germany	Re: Oneshot Garand MP40 is in a fine spot to be perfectly honest. It may seem lacking in damage due to - again - most primary weapons having that nasty oneshot capability, but it's a very controllable firearm with its low fire rate and around the lowest recoil in the game. It feels really easy to use which is a definate plus, most other firearms in WW2 are plagued by either low capacity, or take ages to steady, or have much more recoil, or aren't fully automatic, or a combination of the aforementioned. It's not the best firearm - that would be the StG - but it is very much capable nevertheless.
	VTRaptor: but i only stopped for less than 10 secs and that fucking awesome dude put 2 of them ]CIA[ SwampFox: well my definition of glitching is using an enemy kit to kill the enemy Just_Dave: i have a list about PR players, and they r categorized by their skill Para: You sir are an arse and not what the game or our community needs. AlonTavor: Is that a German trying to make me concentrate? Heavy Death: join PRTA instead - Teamwork is a must there.

2020-10-07, 21:44	#10
hairyballs Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 39 United Kingdom	Re: Oneshot Garand Bolt actions - 1 shot Semi auto - 2 shot Carbine - 3 shot simple as
hairyballs Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 39 United Kingdom