Rate of Fire for F89

Ta77a · 2010-08-05, 09:06

Hi guys. Being in the Australian cadets (yes tease me now you bastards)

I was lucky enough to get my hands on a F89. When we were learning a drill with it, the instructing sergeant said that you could change the rate of fire from about 800 or so rpm, to about 1000 rpm (that may not have been the exact rate of fire but you get the idea) by a swich type thing near the end of the barell. What i was wondering was that this could be incorporated into the game? I mean it would make the Aussies a lot more fearsome when they are being pinned down near a supply crate and they are not scared of wasting ammo.

J.F.Leusch69 · 2010-08-05, 11:16

BF2 has problems with fire rates high than 900 RPM for handheld weapons. there are a few ways to get it to fire kida any rate, but it looks odd and might have other problems with it.

i also think that its not possible to have 2 different fire rates selectable on 1 weapon, it is possible to make 2 versions of the same weapon (like we have it at the moment with the LMGs and Marksmen) but that would take away another kit item slot and i dont think that it would be worth it.

dtacs · 2010-08-05, 13:35

I don't think they are going to change the ROF in a fight, its simply not standard practice just like changing optics etc.

I watched a contact drill from 3RAR (Airborne) at Holsworthy Barracks and the bloke with the Minimi didn't really seem to care, just kept continuing fire by movement. He did have an EOTech on top though.

sylent/shooter · 2010-08-05, 13:43

what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

dtacs · 2010-08-05, 14:31

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Originally Posted by sylent/shooter

what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

No I think he meanshaving the F89 (basically an M249 with a different buttstock) with the ability to make the fire rate slower, so essentially having the fully automatic setting fire in two different speeds at which it chews up ammo.

Chuc · 2010-08-05, 14:40

The MG3 ingame comes in two variants, a handheld and a stationary mounted variant. For the handheld we locked it's cyclic rate to 900, and the mounted variant up to 1100. We could very well do the same for the F89.

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what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

Unfortunately the system just doesn't work like that. The fire mode selector function only has 3 variables, single, auto and burst.

Truism · 2010-08-05, 14:44

With a different buttstock and an adverse gas setting.

The OP is talking about the adverse gas setting on the end of the weapon which when switched from Normal Gas to Adverse Gas increases the amount of gas cycled back through the weapon. In early models of the F89 this would cause the weapon to fire faster which in turn led to higher breakages of the weapon since it wasn't designed to tolerate higher rates of fire than those other countries use it on, AFAIK lacking the more advanced gas system. This was deemed unacceptable and the weapon was modified accordingly.

F89's no longer do this. The myth has lived on though. F89's fire at 800 RPM cyclic but as any good RI or private fresh out of Kapooka will tell you, the "approved" rates of fire are 60 rounds per minute normal, or 120 rounds per minute rapid with a barrel change every 200 rounds.

You may possibly be confused with the in service GPMG, the MAG58, which can have its rate of cyclic fire changed to cover a very wide variety of rates all the way up to (if I'm not mistaken) 2000RPM. It's not hard for an undisciplined firer to melt MAG58 barrels.

[MPN]Slouch2 · 2010-10-18, 20:54

2,000 RPM? Ha ha thats actually the lower setting of the M-134D minigun. The official MAG-58 Cyclic rates of fire are 650-1,000 rounds per minute.

Truism · 2010-11-15, 10:09

Well called.

Have you ever heard one with minigun 7.62 going through it? It massively increases the rate of fire for some reason. Sounds like something german from the 1940s.

shifty66 · 2010-12-09, 04:57

Hold on let me get my notes out from kapooka, i actually had to write this down. Might as well go put it to use in this thread.

2010-08-05, 09:06	#1
Ta77a Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 36 Australia Location: Perth	Rate of Fire for F89 Hi guys. Being in the Australian cadets (yes tease me now you bastards) I was lucky enough to get my hands on a F89. When we were learning a drill with it, the instructing sergeant said that you could change the rate of fire from about 800 or so rpm, to about 1000 rpm (that may not have been the exact rate of fire but you get the idea) by a swich type thing near the end of the barell. What i was wondering was that this could be incorporated into the game? I mean it would make the Aussies a lot more fearsome when they are being pinned down near a supply crate and they are not scared of wasting ammo.

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2010-08-05, 11:16	#2
J.F.Leusch69 Retired PR Developer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,980 Germany Location: Cassel-fornia	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 BF2 has problems with fire rates high than 900 RPM for handheld weapons. there are a few ways to get it to fire kida any rate, but it looks odd and might have other problems with it. i also think that its not possible to have 2 different fire rates selectable on 1 weapon, it is possible to make 2 versions of the same weapon (like we have it at the moment with the LMGs and Marksmen) but that would take away another kit item slot and i dont think that it would be worth it.

2010-08-05, 13:35	#3
dtacs Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,467 Australia Location: Sydney	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 I don't think they are going to change the ROF in a fight, its simply not standard practice just like changing optics etc. I watched a contact drill from 3RAR (Airborne) at Holsworthy Barracks and the bloke with the Minimi didn't really seem to care, just kept continuing fire by movement. He did have an EOTech on top though.

2010-08-05, 13:43	#4
sylent/shooter Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,947 Japan Location: Sendai	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

2010-08-05, 14:44	#7
Truism Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,181	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 With a different buttstock and an adverse gas setting. The OP is talking about the adverse gas setting on the end of the weapon which when switched from Normal Gas to Adverse Gas increases the amount of gas cycled back through the weapon. In early models of the F89 this would cause the weapon to fire faster which in turn led to higher breakages of the weapon since it wasn't designed to tolerate higher rates of fire than those other countries use it on, AFAIK lacking the more advanced gas system. This was deemed unacceptable and the weapon was modified accordingly. F89's no longer do this. The myth has lived on though. F89's fire at 800 RPM cyclic but as any good RI or private fresh out of Kapooka will tell you, the "approved" rates of fire are 60 rounds per minute normal, or 120 rounds per minute rapid with a barrel change every 200 rounds. You may possibly be confused with the in service GPMG, the MAG58, which can have its rate of cyclic fire changed to cover a very wide variety of rates all the way up to (if I'm not mistaken) 2000RPM. It's not hard for an undisciplined firer to melt MAG58 barrels.
Truism Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,181

2010-10-18, 20:54	#8
[MPN]Slouch2 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 139 Australia	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 2,000 RPM? Ha ha thats actually the lower setting of the M-134D minigun. The official MAG-58 Cyclic rates of fire are 650-1,000 rounds per minute.
[MPN]Slouch2 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 139 Australia

2010-11-15, 10:09	#9
Truism Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,181	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 Well called. Have you ever heard one with minigun 7.62 going through it? It massively increases the rate of fire for some reason. Sounds like something german from the 1940s.
Truism Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,181

2010-12-09, 04:57	#10
shifty66 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 309 Australia Location: Sydney City	Re: Rate of Fire for F89 Hold on let me get my notes out from kapooka, i actually had to write this down. Might as well go put it to use in this thread.
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