AK-47 Accuracy... really?

JKJudgeX · 2009-05-19, 19:30

So the next patch will, wait... DECREASE AK-47 accuracy?

Guys, seriously... it's already 10 times worse than it really is...

YouTube - AK47 M16 Comparison - part 1
M16 vs. AK-47...

M16 shows more accuracy, but, not by nearly the factor it's given in PR and other games... plus, a single round from an AK penetrates much better... plus, you have to factor in the different ammo types... using heavier, more penetrating M16 ammo, you will lose accuracy, using lighter, less penetrating AK-47 ammo, you will gain accuracy.

Pay attention to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfoWHOTSvs

I use a similar setup, and the accuracy he is describing is just below 2 MOA, which is not impossible for an AK to achieve... I get close, myself, and I have a crappy AK...nothing that's available in Europe/middle east, like Yugos, Hungarians, Norincos, etc etc...

But anyway... yes, the M-16 is more accurate, but the accuracy of the AK in PR and most other games is HORRIBLY wrong... soldier fatigue/nervousness etc etc included.

The fact of the matter is that within 100 yards, it's negligible on a human sized target, out to 200 yards, barely noticeable, and at 300 yards it starts to matter more and more compared to the m-16/m-4 etc etc... then factor in various barrel lengths, optic configurations, ammo, etc... the case for making the AK that much less accurate is pretty weak until you get to 300+ yards.

Rudd · 2009-05-19, 19:33

its fine, I was sniping snipers off of USMC main on fallujah the other day, 3 seconds settle time and its bang on the money.

JKJudgeX · 2009-05-19, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

its fine, I was sniping snipers off of USMC main on fallujah the other day, 3 seconds settle time and its bang on the money.

It'll be fine when you can get a grouping even half as good as either of those youtube videos at 100 yards with the same shot delay used in the videos ( < 1 second)

Zimmer · 2009-05-19, 19:38

AK is the freaking sniper rifle dude.

JKJudgeX · 2009-05-19, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Zimmer

AK is the freaking sniper rifle dude.

I guess I'm gonna have to make a damned PR video to show you what I'm talking about.

hiberNative · 2009-05-19, 19:41

the second youtube link seems to have been removed.

i've never shot an ak47, but from what i've understood, ammo has a noticeable effect on grouping. i've also understood that there's a slight difference comparing top shelf ammunition in western stores through a gun you might own.

now visualize maltreated ak47s with old surplus or leftover ammunition from the afghan war ;P

~~Ace42~~ · 2009-05-19, 19:45

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Originally Posted by JKJudgeX

It'll be fine when you can get a grouping even half as good as either of those youtube videos at 100 yards with the same shot delay used in the videos ( < 1 second)

Deviation in BF engine games is handled by several variables. Upping the AK-47's base deviation (it's best level of accuracy), along with increasing the prone multiplier would make it harder to "snipe" with it - and that would let you LOWER the fire-dev increments so that groupings are tighter.

Jedimushroom · 2009-05-19, 19:46

AK-47 in 0.856 has the exact same deviation values as every other assault rifle in the entire game.

In 0.86 will be altered, as it is not accurate to the real world.

That answer your question?

Cheditor · 2009-05-19, 19:46

Well in real life AK-47s dont have that much range, they use a higher calibre round meaning the bullet doesnt go as far. AKs is a beast at close range, does more damage, it doesnt need the range.

AquaticPenguin · 2009-05-19, 19:47

In PR the ak's do a lot more damage than all the NATO guns. Yes they may be inaccurate but you shouldn't be engaging enemies out to 300 metres or so. Besides, PR != RL, in PR the distances are smaller and so everything has to be scaled down a bit. Also, if you use the AK47 up close and personal it completely rips them to shreds.

Insurgents are strong at ambushes + really quite crap at firefights. If you want to be effective on insurgency then get a couple of friends and wait for a nice convoy to come into your killzone.

2009-05-19, 19:30	#1
JKJudgeX Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 56 United States of America	AK-47 Accuracy... really? So the next patch will, wait... DECREASE AK-47 accuracy? Guys, seriously... it's already 10 times worse than it really is... YouTube - AK47 M16 Comparison - part 1 M16 vs. AK-47... M16 shows more accuracy, but, not by nearly the factor it's given in PR and other games... plus, a single round from an AK penetrates much better... plus, you have to factor in the different ammo types... using heavier, more penetrating M16 ammo, you will lose accuracy, using lighter, less penetrating AK-47 ammo, you will gain accuracy. Pay attention to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfoWHOTSvs I use a similar setup, and the accuracy he is describing is just below 2 MOA, which is not impossible for an AK to achieve... I get close, myself, and I have a crappy AK...nothing that's available in Europe/middle east, like Yugos, Hungarians, Norincos, etc etc... But anyway... yes, the M-16 is more accurate, but the accuracy of the AK in PR and most other games is HORRIBLY wrong... soldier fatigue/nervousness etc etc included. The fact of the matter is that within 100 yards, it's negligible on a human sized target, out to 200 yards, barely noticeable, and at 300 yards it starts to matter more and more compared to the m-16/m-4 etc etc... then factor in various barrel lengths, optic configurations, ammo, etc... the case for making the AK that much less accurate is pretty weak until you get to 300+ yards.

2009-05-19, 19:33	#2
Rudd Retired PR Developer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21,157 United Kingdom Location: Brighton Blog Entries: 2	Re: AK-47 Accuracy... really? its fine, I was sniping snipers off of USMC main on fallujah the other day, 3 seconds settle time and its bang on the money.

2009-05-19, 19:38	#4
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2009-05-19, 19:41	#6
hiberNative Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,279 Scandinavia Location: Stockholm	Re: AK-47 Accuracy... really? the second youtube link seems to have been removed. i've never shot an ak47, but from what i've understood, ammo has a noticeable effect on grouping. i've also understood that there's a slight difference comparing top shelf ammunition in western stores through a gun you might own. now visualize maltreated ak47s with old surplus or leftover ammunition from the afghan war ;P

2009-05-19, 19:46	#8
Jedimushroom Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,123 United Kingdom Location: London	Re: AK-47 Accuracy... really? AK-47 in 0.856 has the exact same deviation values as every other assault rifle in the entire game. In 0.86 will be altered, as it is not accurate to the real world. That answer your question?
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2009-05-19, 19:46	#9
Cheditor Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,330 United Kingdom Location: london	Re: AK-47 Accuracy... really? Well in real life AK-47s dont have that much range, they use a higher calibre round meaning the bullet doesnt go as far. AKs is a beast at close range, does more damage, it doesnt need the range.

2009-05-19, 19:47	#10
AquaticPenguin Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 841 United Kingdom Location: Cambridge	Re: AK-47 Accuracy... really? In PR the ak's do a lot more damage than all the NATO guns. Yes they may be inaccurate but you shouldn't be engaging enemies out to 300 metres or so. Besides, PR != RL, in PR the distances are smaller and so everything has to be scaled down a bit. Also, if you use the AK47 up close and personal it completely rips them to shreds. Insurgents are strong at ambushes + really quite crap at firefights. If you want to be effective on insurgency then get a couple of friends and wait for a nice convoy to come into your killzone.