1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy?

Wing Walker · 2013-08-06, 20:22

I jumped on PR today to fire up a coop map to practice again the new kits, and it auto downloaded the latest update.

Now the DM rifles shoot like crap.

After settling with the DM on "deployed" the rifle can't hit a thing. Having the DM kit in standard operation it won't hit anything either. All shots taken under 200 meters, and they were landing all around the target 2 to 5 meters away.

I can't tell what the settle time is now. It seems to land a hit, and even after you settle for a second or two it shoots off to the side, and any movement at all throws it way off.

The way these kits have been working since the release of 1.0 have been perfect, totally natural and realistic, Settle 4 seconds- take shot- wait a second or two - take shot. I was actually able to track with a target and hit it moving.

I'm assuming that the update reverted the rifles back to the old .98 deviation?

EDIT: Also started CDTing more since the update.

saXoni · 2013-08-06, 20:32

Go prone, wait 8 seconds, fire - voila.

Wing Walker · 2013-08-06, 20:51

Actually, I went prone and then waited 20 seconds, moved cross hairs a milldot over to the target at 100-150 meters, fired, landed 5 meters away.

Repeated, accept and didn't move cross hairs over, landed 1-5 meters away.

Waited 4 seconds between shots, 1-5 meters away.

I've done a few tests.

Raic · 2013-08-07, 06:21

Haven't used them that much, but the little I have I felt this too. Happened to come across a solo person couple times who were overmatching other direction, so taking them out was pretty much what the whole rifle is for. Took my good time only to miss first two rounds both times.

~~Henrique_Dalben~~ · 2013-08-07, 11:05

Deployed mode is broken side the beta. Even after the settle time you'll be firing headless arrows, with no chance of ever hitting the target at any distance.

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-07, 11:53

Not true.

Some facts about deployed marksman rifles:

single shot settle time: 1s (1.65s for max firing dev)
turn settle time: 1s
movement settle time: 9s

stance affects the accuracy:
standing: around 92% of assault rifles prone minimum deviation
prone: around 50% of assault rifles prone minimum deviation

Generally deployed marksman are now more "more precise assault rifles" than "less precise sniper rifles".

Wing Walker · 2013-08-08, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predator.v2

Not true.

Some facts about deployed marksman rifles:

single shot settle time: 1s (1.65s for max firing dev)
turn settle time: 1s
movement settle time: 9s

stance affects the accuracy:
standing: around 92% of assault rifles prone minimum deviation
prone: around 50% of assault rifles prone minimum deviation

Generally deployed marksman are now more "more precise assault rifles" than "less precise sniper rifles".

It says in the manual that stance for the DM kit does not affect deviation.

Also that it is meant for "rapid accurate fire."

Neither of these are represented in the way the kit is now functioning, on day 1 and 2 it did.

Is this a new update, or a bug?

wretchedegg · 2013-08-08, 12:42

Haven't really played online as my internet connection isn't really that good, but I noticed a remarkable decrease in accuracy on the German 417. Tried it on both deployed and undeployed and I couldn't hit anything even at 150m. The SVD is still okay though.

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-08, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.A.Sharps

It says in the manual that stance for the DM kit does not affect deviation.

Also that it is meant for "rapid accurate fire."

Neither of these are represented in the way the kit is now functioning, on day 1 and 2 it did.

Is this a new update, or a bug?

A 1s wait time between shots would count as "rapid fire", compared to a bolt action sniper. About stances, the manual has a flaw in that section, all deployed weapons have different stance deviation modifiers. Last year, i helped Rivers with the PR1.0 deviation, so i know how to read and understand the deviation code. I haven't been working on the PR deviation this year, but you can easily see/extract the code from the files.

~~Henrique_Dalben~~ · 2013-08-08, 14:27

Don't throw numbers around if you don't play it often. It's broken as shit right now. Impossible to hit a man sized target at 200m after waiting 20s for deviation to settle. It's looking like the snipers in 0.98's Falklands.

2013-08-06, 20:22	#1
Wing Walker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 992 United States of America	1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? I jumped on PR today to fire up a coop map to practice again the new kits, and it auto downloaded the latest update. Now the DM rifles shoot like crap. After settling with the DM on "deployed" the rifle can't hit a thing. Having the DM kit in standard operation it won't hit anything either. All shots taken under 200 meters, and they were landing all around the target 2 to 5 meters away. I can't tell what the settle time is now. It seems to land a hit, and even after you settle for a second or two it shoots off to the side, and any movement at all throws it way off. The way these kits have been working since the release of 1.0 have been perfect, totally natural and realistic, Settle 4 seconds- take shot- wait a second or two - take shot. I was actually able to track with a target and hit it moving. I'm assuming that the update reverted the rifles back to the old .98 deviation? EDIT: Also started CDTing more since the update.

	Last edited by Wing Walker; 2013-08-06 at 20:36..

2013-08-06, 20:32	#2
saXoni Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,158 Guam	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Go prone, wait 8 seconds, fire - voila.
saXoni Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,158 Guam

2013-08-06, 20:51	#3
Wing Walker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 992 United States of America	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Actually, I went prone and then waited 20 seconds, moved cross hairs a milldot over to the target at 100-150 meters, fired, landed 5 meters away. Repeated, accept and didn't move cross hairs over, landed 1-5 meters away. Waited 4 seconds between shots, 1-5 meters away. I've done a few tests.

2013-08-07, 06:21	#4
Raic Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 772 Location: North	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Haven't used them that much, but the little I have I felt this too. Happened to come across a solo person couple times who were overmatching other direction, so taking them out was pretty much what the whole rifle is for. Took my good time only to miss first two rounds both times.
Raic Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 772 Location: North

2013-08-07, 11:05	#5
~~Henrique_Dalben~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 361 Brazil Location: Somewhere between Manaus and Florianopolis.	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Deployed mode is broken side the beta. Even after the settle time you'll be firing headless arrows, with no chance of ever hitting the target at any distance.

2013-08-07, 11:53	#6
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Not true. Some facts about deployed marksman rifles: single shot settle time: 1s (1.65s for max firing dev) turn settle time: 1s movement settle time: 9s stance affects the accuracy: standing: around 92% of assault rifles prone minimum deviation prone: around 50% of assault rifles prone minimum deviation Generally deployed marksman are now more "more precise assault rifles" than "less precise sniper rifles".
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany

2013-08-08, 12:42	#8
wretchedegg Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 42 Philippines Location: Manila	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Haven't really played online as my internet connection isn't really that good, but I noticed a remarkable decrease in accuracy on the German 417. Tried it on both deployed and undeployed and I couldn't hit anything even at 150m. The SVD is still okay though.

2013-08-08, 14:27	#10
~~Henrique_Dalben~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 361 Brazil Location: Somewhere between Manaus and Florianopolis.	Re: 1.0 DM Rifles Lost Accuracy? Don't throw numbers around if you don't play it often. It's broken as shit right now. Impossible to hit a man sized target at 200m after waiting 20s for deviation to settle. It's looking like the snipers in 0.98's Falklands.