v1.0 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies

Walmarx · 2013-08-17, 13:16

1) The recoil of the various AKs chambered in 5.45x39mm seems a little excessive at present, perhaps even worse than those firing 7.62x39mm, oddly enough. This is painfully evident on maps that pitch the US against the Russian Federation or Militia, as the M-16 series rifles are currently extremely effective in burst fire, even at ranges of over 50m.

2) I have also noted two distinctly different sprint recharge speeds, which seem to change relative to faction. I could see how that might have been a 'feature', wherein unconventional factions are more poorly conditioned, but that does not seem to be the rule.

3) Finally, only some factions seem to be able to change sighting modes (optics/BUIS) when sprinting.

2 and 3 may be kit related and I am simply behind the curve; I have not tested that possibility in depth.

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-17, 17:26

About the AK recoil, read this (point 2):

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f25...ml#post1937711

yellodeath · 2013-08-17, 19:16

maybe intended honestly, AK74Ms were THE most accurate single shot assault rifles before 1.0

dysin · 2013-08-17, 22:28

was it a feature that some factions seem to run out of stamina early on? i had the thought while playing that i was missing a few moments of sprint when someone brought up the same point and everyone agreed. social contagion or reality? i think this was while playing as ins (fallujah specifically).

[R-DEV]camo · 2013-08-18, 13:52

I don't get why the ar-15 family of rifles (m4, c7, m16) in game have much lower recoil in burst fire and full auto than they do on single shot? Isn't it meant to be the other way round? Surely firing in a controlled single shot manner would be easier on the recoil than flicking to the fun switch and blasting away?

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-18, 23:22

@camo:
It is an engine thing. Recoil "should" be the same for single shot or full auto. But if the bullets come out too fast, the "recoil animation" takes too long and will be overwritten/reseted by the next recoil animation. Thats why, especially in 0.98 with quite long fire animations (not recoil animations), weapons with high rpm feel/felt easier to control than weapons with low rpm.

saamohod · 2013-08-19, 06:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walmarx

2) I have also noted two distinctly different sprint recharge speeds, which seem to change relative to faction. I could see how that might have been a 'feature', wherein unconventional factions are more poorly conditioned, but that does not seem to be the rule.

I noticed that too. On Ramiel, ARF has its sprint nerfed as compared to US, for example.

izoiva · 2013-09-03, 20:08

AK74 now has higt recoil, i think.

MertSahin · 2013-09-30, 19:36

African Resistence Fighters sprint recharge takes forever, most people dont even notice but i dislike it very much.
I have a lot guys in my clan that agree with me (prWARs) and also some guys that noticed it but i dont think we have a real answer for it..

why does it take much longer for ARF to recharge your sprint then any other faction

those Africans win much maratons or am i wrong xD
is it supposed to be or something ? i dont know man those Americans get little bird kiowa blackhawk stryker un convoy apc
humvees everything all on it.. and still ARF sprint load takes forever. the sprint reload is a big disadvantage in firefights in ramiel, after 1 small sprint im out of sprint and it almost takes 2x the time to load up a full sprint in comparison with all other factions

Wheres_my_chili · 2013-10-01, 07:49

Canada is the same way, too.

2013-08-17, 13:16	#1
Walmarx Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 130 United States of America Location: Memphis	5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies 1) The recoil of the various AKs chambered in 5.45x39mm seems a little excessive at present, perhaps even worse than those firing 7.62x39mm, oddly enough. This is painfully evident on maps that pitch the US against the Russian Federation or Militia, as the M-16 series rifles are currently extremely effective in burst fire, even at ranges of over 50m. 2) I have also noted two distinctly different sprint recharge speeds, which seem to change relative to faction. I could see how that might have been a 'feature', wherein unconventional factions are more poorly conditioned, but that does not seem to be the rule. 3) Finally, only some factions seem to be able to change sighting modes (optics/BUIS) when sprinting. 2 and 3 may be kit related and I am simply behind the curve; I have not tested that possibility in depth.

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2013-08-17, 17:26	#2
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies About the AK recoil, read this (point 2): https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f25...ml#post1937711
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany

2013-08-17, 19:16	#3
yellodeath Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 30 Slovenia	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies maybe intended honestly, AK74Ms were THE most accurate single shot assault rifles before 1.0
yellodeath Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 30 Slovenia

2013-08-17, 22:28	#4
dysin Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 138	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies was it a feature that some factions seem to run out of stamina early on? i had the thought while playing that i was missing a few moments of sprint when someone brought up the same point and everyone agreed. social contagion or reality? i think this was while playing as ins (fallujah specifically).
dysin Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 138

2013-08-18, 13:52	#5
[R-DEV]camo PR:BF2 Developer Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,087 Australia	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies I don't get why the ar-15 family of rifles (m4, c7, m16) in game have much lower recoil in burst fire and full auto than they do on single shot? Isn't it meant to be the other way round? Surely firing in a controlled single shot manner would be easier on the recoil than flicking to the fun switch and blasting away?

2013-08-18, 23:22	#6
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies @camo: It is an engine thing. Recoil "should" be the same for single shot or full auto. But if the bullets come out too fast, the "recoil animation" takes too long and will be overwritten/reseted by the next recoil animation. Thats why, especially in 0.98 with quite long fire animations (not recoil animations), weapons with high rpm feel/felt easier to control than weapons with low rpm.
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany

2013-09-03, 20:08	#8
izoiva Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 605 Russian Federation Location: Electrostal	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies AK74 now has higt recoil, i think.

2013-09-30, 19:36	#9
MertSahin Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 223 Turkey Location: Amsterdam ( Netherland )	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies African Resistence Fighters sprint recharge takes forever, most people dont even notice but i dislike it very much. I have a lot guys in my clan that agree with me (prWARs) and also some guys that noticed it but i dont think we have a real answer for it.. why does it take much longer for ARF to recharge your sprint then any other faction those Africans win much maratons or am i wrong xD is it supposed to be or something ? i dont know man those Americans get little bird kiowa blackhawk stryker un convoy apc humvees everything all on it.. and still ARF sprint load takes forever. the sprint reload is a big disadvantage in firefights in ramiel, after 1 small sprint im out of sprint and it almost takes 2x the time to load up a full sprint in comparison with all other factions

2013-10-01, 07:49	#10
Wheres_my_chili Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 235 United States of America	Re: 5.45 caliber recoil, Faction sprint recharge inconsistencies Canada is the same way, too.