v1.0 9mm Pistols

Ghostwolf · 2013-08-21, 13:15

Hi!

Can it be that the Pistols are way too accurate and make way too little damage?

9mm vs 5.56mm.

5.56mm may have a bigger penetration, but a 9mm has much more punch.

So what's about reducing accuracy, reducing damage vs armored, increasing kick, increasing damage vs unarmored?

ghostfool84 · 2013-08-21, 13:18

Why has 9mm more punch? Energy in the 5.56 is alot bigger afaik,, but bigger damage vs unarmored would be nice.

Ghostwolf · 2013-08-21, 14:19

I have to excuse myself. I made a little research and found following:

For everyone who is interested in forensics

spawncaptain · 2013-08-21, 14:39

Good graphs there.

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-21, 21:15

Accordingly to the MAs, a pistol shot 9mm doesn't have enough punch to pierce a modern body armor.

.380 ACP ? Wikipedia
5,56 x 45 mm NATO ? Wikipedia

The 9mm only has a length of "17 mm", while the 5.56 has "45 mm"

9mm:
Speed: 300 m/s
Energy: 260 J

5.56mm:
Speed: 1000 m/s
Energy: 1800J

~~Eddie Baker~~ · 2013-08-22, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predator.v2

Accordingly to the MAs, a pistol shot 9mm doesn't have enough punch to pierce a modern body armor.

.380 ACP ? Wikipedia
5,56 x 45 mm NATO ? Wikipedia

The 9mm only has a length of "17 mm", while the 5.56 has "45 mm"

9mm:
Speed: 300 m/s
Energy: 260 J

5.56mm:
Speed: 1000 m/s
Energy: 1800J

.380 ACP aka 9mm Short is not a caliber used in any of the service pistols depicted in game. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum (9x19mm) and 9mm Makarov (9x18mm) are.

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-22, 10:36

True. Plus the Beretta 92s muzzle velocity seems to be around 365m/s.
This would result in a "bit" higher energy, but nothing close to a 5.56mm fired from an assault rifle.

~~Eddie Baker~~ · 2013-08-22, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predator.v2

True. Plus the Beretta 92s muzzle velocity seems to be around 365m/s.
This would result in a "bit" higher energy, but nothing close to a 5.56mm fired from an assault rifle.

No shit. I was just pointing out that you had the wrong 9mm specs listed.

Predator.v2 · 2013-08-22, 23:18

Just wanted to show, that a comparison "9mm vs 5.56mm" is a bit pointless.

Spec · 2013-08-24, 15:35

Peace, everyone understood eachother after all.

9mm should be weak. I found the MP5 to be quite powerful though, is there any difference in damage between 9mm fired from an MP5 and fired from a pistol (in game)?

2013-08-21, 13:15	#1
Ghostwolf Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 158 Europe	9mm Pistols Hi! Can it be that the Pistols are way too accurate and make way too little damage? 9mm vs 5.56mm. 5.56mm may have a bigger penetration, but a 9mm has much more punch. So what's about reducing accuracy, reducing damage vs armored, increasing kick, increasing damage vs unarmored?
Ghostwolf Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 158 Europe

2013-08-21, 13:18	#2
ghostfool84 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 495 Germany Location: RLP	Re: 9mm Pistols Why has 9mm more punch? Energy in the 5.56 is alot bigger afaik,, but bigger damage vs unarmored would be nice.

2013-08-21, 14:19	#3
Ghostwolf Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 158 Europe	Re: 9mm Pistols I have to excuse myself. I made a little research and found following: For everyone who is interested in forensics
Ghostwolf Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 158 Europe

2013-08-21, 14:39	#4
spawncaptain Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 448 Germany Location: North Rhine-Westphalia	Re: 9mm Pistols Good graphs there.

2013-08-21, 21:15	#5
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany	Re: 9mm Pistols Accordingly to the MAs, a pistol shot 9mm doesn't have enough punch to pierce a modern body armor. .380 ACP ? Wikipedia 5,56 x 45 mm NATO ? Wikipedia The 9mm only has a length of "17 mm", while the 5.56 has "45 mm" 9mm: Speed: 300 m/s Energy: 260 J 5.56mm: Speed: 1000 m/s Energy: 1800J
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany

2013-08-22, 10:36	#7
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany	Re: 9mm Pistols True. Plus the Beretta 92s muzzle velocity seems to be around 365m/s. This would result in a "bit" higher energy, but nothing close to a 5.56mm fired from an assault rifle.
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany

2013-08-22, 23:18	#9
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany	Re: 9mm Pistols Just wanted to show, that a comparison "9mm vs 5.56mm" is a bit pointless.
Predator.v2 Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 377 Germany

2013-08-24, 15:35	#10
Spec Retired Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,383 Germany Location: Frankfurt (Main)	Re: 9mm Pistols Peace, everyone understood eachother after all. 9mm should be weak. I found the MP5 to be quite powerful though, is there any difference in damage between 9mm fired from an MP5 and fired from a pistol (in game)?
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