v1.3.7 Civilians and emplacements

Fir3w411 · 2016-01-08, 22:08

Today I played insurgency on Fallujah doing APC. The insurgent team was full of civilians. Every time I'd call out something for my gunner it'd be a civilian almost surely.

One thing I noticed today is that civilians get two things: shovels and the ability to build emplacements. Why?

Seriously, the civilians can build an SPG and dig it, and you can't shoot them whilst they do so. So you look over for two seconds to help friendlies on the cache right beside you and the SPG is manned by that same civilian.

As for placing emplacements, it is absolutely ridiculous. Two civilians were trying to pull a Bluedrake on us by taking out their phones and tried placing a roadblock on us but failed thankfully.

I think it'd make sense to remove shove and emplacement building from civlians because it is really exploitable.

[R-DEV]UTurista · 2016-01-09, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Fir3w411

the civilians can build an SPG and dig it, and you can't shoot them whilst they do so.

Indeed this seems a problem.

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Originally Posted by Fir3w411

Two civilians were trying to pull a Bluedrake on us by taking out their phones and tried placing a roadblock on us but failed thankfully

Most servers agree that this is a lame exploit, a simple report should be enough to make those griefers to be kicked/banned.

Acecombatzer0 · 2016-01-11, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Fir3w411

Seriously, the civilians can build an SPG and dig it, and you can't shoot them whilst they do so.

What are you talking about? It just shoots confetti

...but seriously though agree with OP

Cavazos · 2016-01-12, 18:22

I think it would be better if admins kicked those players rather than taking their building capabilities. Being able to build easily is an insurgent strength. Personally I haven't encountered these problems or noticed team mates doing them.

Fir3w411 · 2016-01-12, 20:11

How does it make any sense that a "civilian" would build an SPG that's meant to kill my vehicle and infantry right in my face and I can't shoot them?

~~viirusiiseli~~ · 2016-01-13, 11:55

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Originally Posted by [TP]Cavazos

I think it would be better if admins kicked those players rather than taking their building capabilities. Being able to build easily is an insurgent strength. Personally I haven't encountered these problems or noticed team mates doing them.

Yes, server admins will surely take care of this problem! You cannot possibly believe they would have the time or motivation to enforce such things.

Easier would be to make the shovel an illegal weapon just like epipen/resusciate. This way ROE would just allow you to shoot them if they're building or trying to while maintaining the no kit/civilian shovel.

DesertFox284 · 2016-01-14, 08:59

Why not just take it this way: Wait for him to get on the spg (it has 15 second fire delay anyways) and then kill him. If he is waiting for you to turn your back you get out and arrest the civilian.

Or you could just shoot the civilian shoveling the spg and be done with it. Yeah, it's not realistic but the penalty for shooting a civi seems low anyways. Most of the ins rounds I play nowadays I run around as a civi getting martyred like there's no tomorrow because people don't care about penalties.

~~viirusiiseli~~ · 2016-01-14, 10:58

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Originally Posted by DesertFox284

Why not just take it this way: Wait for him to get on the spg (it has 15 second fire delay anyways) and then kill him. If he is waiting for you to turn your back you get out and arrest the civilian.

Or you could just shoot the civilian shoveling the spg and be done with it. Yeah, it's not realistic but the penalty for shooting a civi seems low anyways. Most of the ins rounds I play nowadays I run around as a civi getting martyred like there's no tomorrow because people don't care about penalties.

5min penalty is just perfect for making a cup of tea while waiting.

KillJoy[Fr] · 2016-01-14, 14:19

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Originally Posted by [R-CON]UTurista

Indeed this seems a problem.

This is not a problem since they are collaborators with the task to help the insurgency.

WeeD-KilleR · 2016-01-14, 16:25

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Originally Posted by DesertFox284

Why not just take it this way: Wait for him to get on the spg (it has 15 second fire delay anyways) and then kill him. If he is waiting for you to turn your back you get out and arrest the civilian.

a) that would require you not to engage a danger as soon as you see it. They are shoveling a weapon that can be a threat to the asset I man. So I want it gone now. And not continue watching around and coming to it back later.

and b) with 2 civis the system can be abused to shit. One can shovel, the other can man the spg. Now you risk killing the civi shoveling the SPG while you shoot the guy in the SPG. No really ideal.

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Or you could just shoot the civilian shoveling the spg and be done with it. Yeah, it's not realistic but the penalty for shooting a civi seems low anyways. Most of the ins rounds I play nowadays I run around as a civi getting martyred like there's no tomorrow because people don't care about penalties.

And I am fairly sure that killing civi can still have a big impact on the game. Caches appear way later, the rounds can last longer and respawns take for ever.

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Originally Posted by KillJoy[Fr]

This is not a problem since they are collaborators with the task to help the insurgency.

Then I would be allowed to shoot the guys. Because if you help insurgents, you are within the RoE and can kill them without punishment IRL. Therefor it is an problem, because it is reflected wrong in the game.

The best solution has been posted by viirusiiseli. Dont remove the shovel, just make it an 'illegal' weapon.

2016-01-08, 22:08	#1
Fir3w411 Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 337 United States of America	Civilians and emplacements Today I played insurgency on Fallujah doing APC. The insurgent team was full of civilians. Every time I'd call out something for my gunner it'd be a civilian almost surely. One thing I noticed today is that civilians get two things: shovels and the ability to build emplacements. Why? Seriously, the civilians can build an SPG and dig it, and you can't shoot them whilst they do so. So you look over for two seconds to help friendlies on the cache right beside you and the SPG is manned by that same civilian. As for placing emplacements, it is absolutely ridiculous. Two civilians were trying to pull a Bluedrake on us by taking out their phones and tried placing a roadblock on us but failed thankfully. I think it'd make sense to remove shove and emplacement building from civlians because it is really exploitable.

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2016-01-12, 18:22	#4
Cavazos Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 447 United States of America	Re: Civilians and emplacements I think it would be better if admins kicked those players rather than taking their building capabilities. Being able to build easily is an insurgent strength. Personally I haven't encountered these problems or noticed team mates doing them.

2016-01-12, 20:11	#5
Fir3w411 Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 337 United States of America	Re: Civilians and emplacements How does it make any sense that a "civilian" would build an SPG that's meant to kill my vehicle and infantry right in my face and I can't shoot them?

2016-01-14, 08:59	#7
DesertFox284 Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 32 Croatia Location: Zadar	Re: Civilians and emplacements Why not just take it this way: Wait for him to get on the spg (it has 15 second fire delay anyways) and then kill him. If he is waiting for you to turn your back you get out and arrest the civilian. Or you could just shoot the civilian shoveling the spg and be done with it. Yeah, it's not realistic but the penalty for shooting a civi seems low anyways. Most of the ins rounds I play nowadays I run around as a civi getting martyred like there's no tomorrow because people don't care about penalties.