Ak-74m damage

[LEGIYA]

Shouldn't ak74 do more damage since 5.45 has more stopping power? 5.45 Is a longer bullet and penetrates better at the cost of low rate of fire and bad accuracy compared to 5.56 guns in game

[[R-DEV]Mats391]

The AK74 uses 5.45×39mm which is obviously smaller than 5.56x45mm. In game the 5.45x39mm deals slightly less damage (36 instead of 39) than NATO round. The difference between cartridges might not really be big enough to warrant that difference. An increase to have AK74 deal more damage than NATO weapons would be just as unwarranted.
The Chinese round 5.80x42mm also deal same damage as NATO equivalent.

[LEGIYA]

Originally Posted by Mats391

The AK74 uses 5.45×39mm which is obviously smaller than 5.56x45mm. In game the 5.45x39mm deals slightly less damage (36 instead of 39) than NATO round. The difference between cartridges might not really be big enough to warrant that difference. An increase to have AK74 deal more damage than NATO weapons would be just as unwarranted.
The Chinese round 5.80x42mm also deal same damage as NATO equivalent.

5.45 is LONGER(https://imgur.com/a/l4AxlEj) than 5.56. RU standard is 60 gr, while US 62 gr(to be corrected if different).

[[R-DEV]Mats391]

Yes, but length isnt everything They have different velocities, masses, ballistics etc and also function differently after entering body.
As I said, I think having both deal same damage would be more true to reality than making either weaker than the other.

[LEGIYA]

Originally Posted by Mats391

Yes, but length isnt everything They have different velocities, masses, ballistics etc and also function differently after entering body.
As I said, I think having both deal same damage would be more true to reality than making either weaker than the other.

Length matters when it comes to penetration, that's why projectiles evolved from a ball to an bullet shape. Right now 5.56 have better rate of fire, accuracy and damage. Ak74 only has decent recoil and nothing else. Feels really trash atm

[[R-DEV]Mats391]

We discussed this further and an increase in AK74 damage would have big impacts on Russia vs Militia. Right now the AK74 need 3 shots to kill vs Militia poor bodyarmor. An increase to same damage as 556 would reduce this to 2 shots to kill. That would change the balance on Grozny, Kozelsk and many other maps a lot.

[LEGIYA]

Originally Posted by Mats391

We discussed this further and an increase in AK74 damage would have big impacts on Russia vs Militia. Right now the AK74 need 3 shots to kill vs Militia poor bodyarmor. An increase to same damage as 556 would reduce this to 2 shots to kill. That would change the balance on Grozny, Kozelsk and many other maps a lot.

Give them body armor then, when i google chechen fighters grozny 1990 on half of the pictures they appear to wear body armor. Problem solved

E: Also, Russians tend to get fucked alot more than militia on Grozny. You can also work around it by giving militia hideouts instead of fobs

[[R-DEV]Mats391]

They have bodyarmor already. On unarmored factions (Taliban, Hamas, Insugents, etc.) it does not matter. Those always die from 2 shots.

[LEGIYA]

Originally Posted by Mats391

They have bodyarmor already. On unarmored factions (Taliban, Hamas, Insugents, etc.) it does not matter. Those always die from 2 shots.

Ok so you are going to artificially cripple a most played opfor faction because of one map that is Grozny. Its ok for them to die in 2 shots from Britain with scopes, but not ok to die to 2 shots from Ru without scopes. What about giving them better body armor? What about giving them hideouts?

[WingWalker]

Originally Posted by LEGIYA

Shouldn't ak74 do more damage since 5.45 has more stopping power? 5.45 Is a longer bullet and penetrates better at the cost of low rate of fire and bad accuracy compared to 5.56 guns in game

No, the 5.45 does not have more "power".

The 5.56 and 5.45 start out at similar.

The 5.45 has a more ballistically stable bullet shape than the 5.56. This gives it better accuracy and trajectory out to 400m while retaining a little more velocity.

Though, there has been a lot of technology applied to different bullet designs and loadings for the 5.56. Something you don't have in the 5.45.

There are more accurate loads for 5.56 for 600-800m ranges, as well as many other different bullet designs for different applications.