Lower Accuracy

Greenie Beanie · 2007-07-15, 10:50

Of most weapons? I reckon firefights are over too quickly (even in dug in positions and at range) It would be nice to lower the accuracy of most guns to draw out firefights.
Thoughts?

Longbow* · 2007-07-15, 10:53

Gotta agree . Even in vanilla there is more competition in firefights , random deviation and such ... PR guns are too accurate , every prone shot hits . Thats unrealistic ...

Wolfe · 2007-07-15, 10:57

Totally agree. In fact, most weapons should have no zoom either. Only sniper rifles should have a scope with zoom. The way it is now, virtually every gun is a hyper accurate sniper rifle that can heat shot you at 600m without breaking a sweat.

El_Vikingo · 2007-07-15, 11:03

It's been said hundreds of times before, the zoom is to simulate the concetration of aiming.
If they increase the deviation, people are going to start complaining aswell, because it's unrealistic! Everything is unrealistic on hte internet.

Then you have BF2's hardcoded stuff.

Masaq · 2007-07-15, 11:07

Guys in case you're not aware, or have forgotten, the Devs have put quite a bit of time and effort into the weapons in PR ensuring that their in-game accuracy, damage levels and ranges meet RL equivilants.

The assault rifles are all zeroed for 300m- if someone hits you at 600m, it's either a very lucky or very skilled shot.

IRL, the British army (for example), issues a 4x sight to all troops. The G36 has a more-or-less built in 3x sight. It's not unrealistic for all PR's riflemen kits to have a scope on them. You're "lucky" (if you don't like the accuracy) that more kits don't have them on.

Finally, tinkering with something like the sights has a knock-on effect within the game. Tune down the accuracy -> more ammo needed to hit a target -> more ammo needs to be available -> unlimited ammo via the ammo-bags has to be re-added -> unlimited ammo available on a battlefield is *very* unrealistic.

If accurate shooting is problematic to you:

1. Stay in cover more
2. Spend more time observing the area you're in to ensure you know at least the rough location of the enemy
3. Practice shooting so you're accurate as hell
4. Use cover and smoke to ensure you're the first guy to shoot, and make that first shot or two count.

Greenie Beanie · 2007-07-15, 11:20

But the thing IRL you have variations based on weather and especially the body of the shooter, depending on how hard hes shitting/heart rate/breathing etc etc
Means IRL firefights seem to be alot more drawn out occurances than ive been finding it in PR where a covered squad can be eliminated a bit too easily

Wolfe · 2007-07-15, 11:29

Exactly. An infantryman running up a steep hill at full speed then insta drops to a knee and 1 shots you in the head. Yeeeeah.

I understand the balance between realism and gameplay, but dang is it frustrating to have everyone be such a pixel-accurate marksman because the weapons are so accurate. It is doubltful that the average infantryman would be that accurate under those circumstances.

Rhino · 2007-07-15, 11:31

the only realistic way to simulate what you guys are asking ingame is to add in weapon sway to all weapons, which we would do if it was possible in BF2 which it aint. the guns are as as accruate as they are in real life, it would be more unrealistic to add weapon devation to the weapons to suggest that it was the weapon sway casuing it, when it aint cos the bullets aint even going where the gun is pointing than leaving them as they are now.

Greenie Beanie · 2007-07-15, 11:40

If thats the way it is then thats the way it is, but i reckon it would be 10x funner with more drawn out firefights

UKARMYCADET · 2007-07-15, 11:43

The weapons are meant to be accurate, especially the SA80! There is nothing wrong with the accuracy. IRL in iraq a british soilder fired 2 shots each at 3 men 200m away and killed them all.

People that have never fired a assault rifle before has got it into there head that they give a huge kick. This is not the case especially with the 5.56 m16 and sa80 rounds. You could fire a 3 round burst stood up and all could land on the target with no elevation.

I totally agree with [R-PUB]Masaq.

UKARMYCADET

2007-07-15, 10:50	#1
Greenie Beanie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 312 Location: Fremantle, WA, Australia	Lower Accuracy Of most weapons? I reckon firefights are over too quickly (even in dug in positions and at range) It would be nice to lower the accuracy of most guns to draw out firefights. Thoughts?

2007-07-15, 11:07	#5
Masaq Retired PR Developer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 10,022 United Kingdom Location: UK Blog Entries: 5	Guys in case you're not aware, or have forgotten, the Devs have put quite a bit of time and effort into the weapons in PR ensuring that their in-game accuracy, damage levels and ranges meet RL equivilants. The assault rifles are all zeroed for 300m- if someone hits you at 600m, it's either a very lucky or very skilled shot. IRL, the British army (for example), issues a 4x sight to all troops. The G36 has a more-or-less built in 3x sight. It's not unrealistic for all PR's riflemen kits to have a scope on them. You're "lucky" (if you don't like the accuracy) that more kits don't have them on. Finally, tinkering with something like the sights has a knock-on effect within the game. Tune down the accuracy -> more ammo needed to hit a target -> more ammo needs to be available -> unlimited ammo via the ammo-bags has to be re-added -> unlimited ammo available on a battlefield is very unrealistic. If accurate shooting is problematic to you: 1. Stay in cover more 2. Spend more time observing the area you're in to ensure you know at least the rough location of the enemy 3. Practice shooting so you're accurate as hell 4. Use cover and smoke to ensure you're the first guy to shoot, and make that first shot or two count.
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2007-07-15, 10:53	#2
Longbow* Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 496 Ukraine Location: Odessa	Gotta agree . Even in vanilla there is more competition in firefights , random deviation and such ... PR guns are too accurate , every prone shot hits . Thats unrealistic ...

2007-07-15, 10:57	#3
Wolfe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,056 United States of America	Totally agree. In fact, most weapons should have no zoom either. Only sniper rifles should have a scope with zoom. The way it is now, virtually every gun is a hyper accurate sniper rifle that can heat shot you at 600m without breaking a sweat.

2007-07-15, 11:03	#4
El_Vikingo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,876 Location: Inside the "Search Function".	It's been said hundreds of times before, the zoom is to simulate the concetration of aiming. If they increase the deviation, people are going to start complaining aswell, because it's unrealistic! Everything is unrealistic on hte internet. Then you have BF2's hardcoded stuff.

2007-07-15, 11:20	#6
Greenie Beanie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 312 Location: Fremantle, WA, Australia	But the thing IRL you have variations based on weather and especially the body of the shooter, depending on how hard hes shitting/heart rate/breathing etc etc Means IRL firefights seem to be alot more drawn out occurances than ive been finding it in PR where a covered squad can be eliminated a bit too easily

2007-07-15, 11:29	#7
Wolfe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,056 United States of America	Exactly. An infantryman running up a steep hill at full speed then insta drops to a knee and 1 shots you in the head. Yeeeeah. I understand the balance between realism and gameplay, but dang is it frustrating to have everyone be such a pixel-accurate marksman because the weapons are so accurate. It is doubltful that the average infantryman would be that accurate under those circumstances.

2007-07-15, 11:31	#8
Rhino Retired PR Developer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 47,448 United Kingdom Location: Somerset - UK Blog Entries: 45	the only realistic way to simulate what you guys are asking ingame is to add in weapon sway to all weapons, which we would do if it was possible in BF2 which it aint. the guns are as as accruate as they are in real life, it would be more unrealistic to add weapon devation to the weapons to suggest that it was the weapon sway casuing it, when it aint cos the bullets aint even going where the gun is pointing than leaving them as they are now.

2007-07-15, 11:40	#9
Greenie Beanie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 312 Location: Fremantle, WA, Australia	If thats the way it is then thats the way it is, but i reckon it would be 10x funner with more drawn out firefights

2007-07-15, 11:43	#10
UKARMYCADET Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 229 Location: Leeds	The weapons are meant to be accurate, especially the SA80! There is nothing wrong with the accuracy. IRL in iraq a british soilder fired 2 shots each at 3 men 200m away and killed them all. People that have never fired a assault rifle before has got it into there head that they give a huge kick. This is not the case especially with the 5.56 m16 and sa80 rounds. You could fire a 3 round burst stood up and all could land on the target with no elevation. I totally agree with [R-PUB]Masaq. UKARMYCADET